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DLA Piper means some smart people are starting to believe Ceglia. How likely is it that folks like Kip Hall http://www.dlapiper.com/kip_hall http://www.dlapiper

by bcn 16y ago

DLA Piper means some smart people are starting to believe Ceglia. How likely is it that folks like Kip Hall http://www.dlapiper.com/kip_hall http://www.dlapiper.com/kip_hall and other partners at DLA would take a case like this as a pure troll?

afterburner 16y ago
Either that or the slim chance of payoff combined with huge payout made it worth pursuing. If nothing else it means some lawyers get to have their name attached to a litigation suit with Facebook's name on it. Even if they fail they can use it on their resumes. As can the company for seeming willing to tackle big challenges. This is all devil's advocate stuff mind you.
- anigbrowl 16y ago
  Even if they fail they can use it on their resumes. As can the company for seeming willing to tackle big challenges. DLA Piper is one of the largest and most powerful law firms in the US, and routinely represents clients such as Wall Street securities firms in multi- billion dollar suits. I think you should click the link above and have a look at the existing resume before making such silly remarks...this is not an up-and-coming law firm in need of wider exposure. pun intended
  - afterburner 16y ago
    My comments apply to small and large firms. They especially apply to ambitious law firms and lawyers. I imagine DLA Piper satisfies those. This is about money; DLA Piper isn't doing this out of a sense of justice.
    - warrenwilkinson 16y ago
      Or maybe they are? Or maybe a bit of both? Some people (myself included) feel a contract is a contract is a contract.
    - anigbrowl 16y ago
      Surely it is about the money, but the link above suggests that litigation against Facebook will only marginally enhance the partner's reputation. What I am driving at is the idea that mere involvement in a high-profile action is insufficient benefit to justify the reputational risk, unless there is a better-than-even chance of success. I don't see how a senior partner at DLA Piper would want to jeopardize their good name if there were any risk of a court dismissing the suit as frivolous.
esoteriq 16y ago
Well, the legal sector isn't doing too well right now. Perhaps DLA Piper has too many idle lawyers right now - at least this is work. Not saying that this is the case, but it's possible.
- fname 16y ago
  Lawyers rarely take cases unless they're positive they'll win outright or negotiate a good percentage of any settlement. I'd say, the chances are good some of the claims are accurate against Zuckerburg.
phlux 16y ago
The only remote chance I can see DLA Piper taking a troll case like this is if they negotiated some very significant % of the settlement likely to come of this. Thinking that they would not get 50% or 84% of zucks shares - but 50% of $XXXXX millions of dollars is significant regardless. They must have at least enough of a case to make facebook shit cash their way. For all us watchers - it just reinforces the unscrupulous measures zuck took in building this company. Sadly, not too many can say they would have done much different in his shoes, given that he was at the right place at the right time and got boosted by others to the point of being able to run with it himself, he then used amoral tactics to protect what he had built from those who truly did have at least partial stake in it...
- alain94040 16y ago
  Unscrupulous? The terms are so outrageous (owning 80% for late penalty) that I can't imagine this would hold, especially when it's in the form of informal emails. I see a lot of unscrupulous business people trying to abuse the one developer who can actually make things happen.
  - phlux 16y ago
    I am in no way defending either party. And, while that contract was made by two naive, business-savvy-lacking individuals about a site that neither had any idea how big it would become - it was clearly a lame contract. But an agreed to, signed and funded contract none-the-less.
  - nomurrcy 16y ago
    There is nothing informal about the following and it does seem unscrupulous: * You give me $1000 asking me to develop a site for you, in addition to the $1000 you want to split ownership 50/50. * I agree. We sign a contract. I cash your check and start working. * I need more money so you send me another $1000 with no strings attached. * You whine that things are taking longer than expected. Things get a bit heated. Eventually you agree to waive a 30% ownership penalty we had agreed to for slow performance. * When the site is done, I see it is successful. * Wishing to cut you out I lie to you and tell you the site is not living up to expectations and offer to mail you your money back. Certainly whether or not Mr. Zuckerberg did the above is open for debate. Can't we agree that if he did do the above, he wasn't acting honestly?

by bcn 16y ago

afterburner 16y ago

Either that or the slim chance of payoff combined with huge payout made it worth pursuing. If nothing else it means some lawyers get to have their name attached to a litigation suit with Facebook's name on it. Even if they fail they can use it on their resumes. As can the company for seeming willing to tackle big challenges. This is all devil's advocate stuff mind you.

anigbrowl 16y ago
Even if they fail they can use it on their resumes. As can the company for seeming willing to tackle big challenges. DLA Piper is one of the largest and most powerful law firms in the US, and routinely represents clients such as Wall Street securities firms in multi- billion dollar suits. I think you should click the link above and have a look at the existing resume before making such silly remarks...this is not an up-and-coming law firm in need of wider exposure. pun intended
- afterburner 16y ago
  My comments apply to small and large firms. They especially apply to ambitious law firms and lawyers. I imagine DLA Piper satisfies those. This is about money; DLA Piper isn't doing this out of a sense of justice.
  - warrenwilkinson 16y ago
    Or maybe they are? Or maybe a bit of both? Some people (myself included) feel a contract is a contract is a contract.
  - anigbrowl 16y ago
    Surely it is about the money, but the link above suggests that litigation against Facebook will only marginally enhance the partner's reputation. What I am driving at is the idea that mere involvement in a high-profile action is insufficient benefit to justify the reputational risk, unless there is a better-than-even chance of success. I don't see how a senior partner at DLA Piper would want to jeopardize their good name if there were any risk of a court dismissing the suit as frivolous.

esoteriq 16y ago

Well, the legal sector isn't doing too well right now. Perhaps DLA Piper has too many idle lawyers right now - at least this is work. Not saying that this is the case, but it's possible.

fname 16y ago
Lawyers rarely take cases unless they're positive they'll win outright or negotiate a good percentage of any settlement. I'd say, the chances are good some of the claims are accurate against Zuckerburg.

phlux 16y ago

The only remote chance I can see DLA Piper taking a troll case like this is if they negotiated some very significant % of the settlement likely to come of this. Thinking that they would not get 50% or 84% of zucks shares - but 50% of $XXXXX millions of dollars is significant regardless. They must have at least enough of a case to make facebook shit cash their way. For all us watchers - it just reinforces the unscrupulous measures zuck took in building this company. Sadly, not too many can say they would have done much different in his shoes, given that he was at the right place at the right time and got boosted by others to the point of being able to run with it himself, he then used amoral tactics to protect what he had built from those who truly did have at least partial stake in it...

alain94040 16y ago
Unscrupulous? The terms are so outrageous (owning 80% for late penalty) that I can't imagine this would hold, especially when it's in the form of informal emails. I see a lot of unscrupulous business people trying to abuse the one developer who can actually make things happen.
- phlux 16y ago
  I am in no way defending either party. And, while that contract was made by two naive, business-savvy-lacking individuals about a site that neither had any idea how big it would become - it was clearly a lame contract. But an agreed to, signed and funded contract none-the-less.
- nomurrcy 16y ago
  There is nothing informal about the following and it does seem unscrupulous: * You give me $1000 asking me to develop a site for you, in addition to the $1000 you want to split ownership 50/50. * I agree. We sign a contract. I cash your check and start working. * I need more money so you send me another $1000 with no strings attached. * You whine that things are taking longer than expected. Things get a bit heated. Eventually you agree to waive a 30% ownership penalty we had agreed to for slow performance. * When the site is done, I see it is successful. * Wishing to cut you out I lie to you and tell you the site is not living up to expectations and offer to mail you your money back. Certainly whether or not Mr. Zuckerberg did the above is open for debate. Can't we agree that if he did do the above, he wasn't acting honestly?