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I think it's clear that it is harmful to be LGBT (especially T). This is obvious in the clearly higher rates of suicide of these demographics. I'm not arguing

I think it's clear that it is harmful to be LGBT (especially T). This is obvious in the clearly higher rates of suicide of these demographics. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't be inclusive, but lets also make sure we're not pretending that there aren't problems there. You can't try to fix a problem you won't acknowledge. Now, perhaps you meant something else when you said harmful, I just interpreted it that way because I would have expected you to say 'bad' if it was the case that the articles were judging the people themselves (much like a religious person might).

srtjstjsj 6y ago
You are confusing "harmful" with "at-risk"
- RandoHolmes 6y ago
  Then please explain it to me.
  - aw1621107 6y ago
    In short, you appear to be mixing cause and effect; i.e., correlation is not causation. A higher suicide rate among the LGBT population can mean two things: 1. Being LGBT causes a higher suicide rate 2. Being LGBT is correlated with a higher suicide rate The first conclusion postulates that the mere state of being LGBT, independent of environmental, social, circumstantial, or other factors, increases suicide risk; in other words, no matter how accepted or ostracized LGBT people are, no matter their upbringing, no matter any other factor, they will always have a higher suicide rate. The second conclusion, on the other hand, allows for the possibility that some external factor can come into the picture to produce the observed result, and that being LGBT does not innately mean a higher risk for suicide. For example, perhaps LGBT people are relegated to a second-class place in society, with reduced opportunity to find love and having to constantly act in an “unnatural” way in order to be treated fairly. These additional stresses can add up to an increased suicide risk, without which an LGBT person would have a “normal” suicide risk. By saying “ I think it's clear that it is harmful to be LGBT”, then bringing up suicide rates without mentioning possible confounding factors, it seems you’re drawing conclusion number 1 from above, which, strictly speaking, is too strong of a conclusion to draw given the stated data.
JohnBooty 6y ago
I suspect you're trolling, but here goes. I'll stick strictly to facts and abstain from all moral judgement. In most of the world, LGBT folk face a number of additional stressors compared to non-LGBT folk. These stressors include some or all of the following: - Inability to marry partners of their choosing - Inability to openly date partners of their choosing - Imprisonment or death - Dismissal from their jobs - Abandonment by family - Loss of children - and so on Whether or not you feel those stressors are just or not, certainly they contribute to poorer mental health outcomes, to put it mildly.

srtjstjsj 6y ago

You are confusing "harmful" with "at-risk"

RandoHolmes 6y ago
Then please explain it to me.
- aw1621107 6y ago
  In short, you appear to be mixing cause and effect; i.e., correlation is not causation. A higher suicide rate among the LGBT population can mean two things: 1. Being LGBT causes a higher suicide rate 2. Being LGBT is correlated with a higher suicide rate The first conclusion postulates that the mere state of being LGBT, independent of environmental, social, circumstantial, or other factors, increases suicide risk; in other words, no matter how accepted or ostracized LGBT people are, no matter their upbringing, no matter any other factor, they will always have a higher suicide rate. The second conclusion, on the other hand, allows for the possibility that some external factor can come into the picture to produce the observed result, and that being LGBT does not innately mean a higher risk for suicide. For example, perhaps LGBT people are relegated to a second-class place in society, with reduced opportunity to find love and having to constantly act in an “unnatural” way in order to be treated fairly. These additional stresses can add up to an increased suicide risk, without which an LGBT person would have a “normal” suicide risk. By saying “ I think it's clear that it is harmful to be LGBT”, then bringing up suicide rates without mentioning possible confounding factors, it seems you’re drawing conclusion number 1 from above, which, strictly speaking, is too strong of a conclusion to draw given the stated data.

JohnBooty 6y ago

I suspect you're trolling, but here goes. I'll stick strictly to facts and abstain from all moral judgement. In most of the world, LGBT folk face a number of additional stressors compared to non-LGBT folk. These stressors include some or all of the following: - Inability to marry partners of their choosing - Inability to openly date partners of their choosing - Imprisonment or death - Dismissal from their jobs - Abandonment by family - Loss of children - and so on Whether or not you feel those stressors are just or not, certainly they contribute to poorer mental health outcomes, to put it mildly.