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> To be clear, by hosting a website I'm liable to "authorities" wanting to access everything anyway In America at least, a search of this nature has to be very

> To be clear, by hosting a website I'm liable to "authorities" wanting to access everything anyway In America at least, a search of this nature has to be very narrow in order to be valid, even the secret ones.

fault_lines 6y ago
In America, the validity of a search is rarely an impediment to carrying it out.
hypersoar 6y ago
This is from Mapp v. Ohio, an old Warren Court decision establishing the exclusionary rule. It has long since been hacked to the bone.
elliekelly 6y ago
I so wish you were right but this is very much not correct.
caconym_ 6y ago
If you believe this is true in practice, I've got a bridge to sell you.
- ryan_j_naughton 6y ago
  In case any were curious of the origin of this phrase: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker
simple_phrases 6y ago
Court orders are a last resort. Often, law enforcement will just ask providers to kindly share the information they want access to, and the providers comply. No warrants needed.
- microcolonel 6y ago
  Sure, but asking politely is hardly the mark of tyranny, and has nothing to do with the sort of scenario I'm replying on.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    "Asking politely" is a euphemism. The company has a desire to receive government contracts, or to not be subject to adverse regulations, and is thereby given the choice to submit or be the subject of retaliation. In reality it's an end-run around the court system. If the government officially penalized them for not complying, various parties would have standing to assert their rights. So the punishment isn't officially tied to the failure to submit, but the threat is still there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest#Refusal_of_NSA_surveillance_requests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest#Refusal_of_NSA_surveilla...
  - godelski 6y ago
    I think it is more complicated that. It's more like asking your neighbor to borrow some sugar. Nothing nefarious, but your neighbor might later ask to borrow your ratchet set. The concern is how strong is this relationship and if there is real quid pro quo going on. It gets gray real fast when you are your neighbor's boss and control his raises.
    - emerongi 6y ago
      Also in this case, it's not even your sugar. You're giving out someone else's sugar, so why the hell would you care?
  - wtracy 6y ago
    "Oh, your new office building looks nice. Did your construction firm get all the necessary permits? Are you sure? All of them? Oh, and I see you have a lot of new employees. A lot of them. I bet it would tie up your HR department for quite a while if the INS came by and requested documentation that all those employees are authorized to work in the US, wouldn't it? "Anyway, I've come to ask whether you could do a favor for us."
twirlock 6y ago
>I am literally retarded.
cmroanirgo 6y ago
In Australia, you currently just have to suggest a peaceful protest for a search warrant to be issued against you. There are quite a few people who've been dragged off because of this. It's my understanding that everything is collected and analysed during these searches.

fault_lines 6y ago

In America, the validity of a search is rarely an impediment to carrying it out.

hypersoar 6y ago

This is from Mapp v. Ohio, an old Warren Court decision establishing the exclusionary rule. It has long since been hacked to the bone.

elliekelly 6y ago

I so wish you were right but this is very much not correct.

caconym_ 6y ago

If you believe this is true in practice, I've got a bridge to sell you.

ryan_j_naughton 6y ago
In case any were curious of the origin of this phrase: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker

simple_phrases 6y ago

Court orders are a last resort. Often, law enforcement will just ask providers to kindly share the information they want access to, and the providers comply. No warrants needed.

microcolonel 6y ago
Sure, but asking politely is hardly the mark of tyranny, and has nothing to do with the sort of scenario I'm replying on.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  "Asking politely" is a euphemism. The company has a desire to receive government contracts, or to not be subject to adverse regulations, and is thereby given the choice to submit or be the subject of retaliation. In reality it's an end-run around the court system. If the government officially penalized them for not complying, various parties would have standing to assert their rights. So the punishment isn't officially tied to the failure to submit, but the threat is still there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest#Refusal_of_NSA_surveillance_requests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest#Refusal_of_NSA_surveilla...
- godelski 6y ago
  I think it is more complicated that. It's more like asking your neighbor to borrow some sugar. Nothing nefarious, but your neighbor might later ask to borrow your ratchet set. The concern is how strong is this relationship and if there is real quid pro quo going on. It gets gray real fast when you are your neighbor's boss and control his raises.
  - emerongi 6y ago
    Also in this case, it's not even your sugar. You're giving out someone else's sugar, so why the hell would you care?
- wtracy 6y ago
  "Oh, your new office building looks nice. Did your construction firm get all the necessary permits? Are you sure? All of them? Oh, and I see you have a lot of new employees. A lot of them. I bet it would tie up your HR department for quite a while if the INS came by and requested documentation that all those employees are authorized to work in the US, wouldn't it? "Anyway, I've come to ask whether you could do a favor for us."

twirlock 6y ago

>I am literally retarded.

cmroanirgo 6y ago

In Australia, you currently just have to suggest a peaceful protest for a search warrant to be issued against you. There are quite a few people who've been dragged off because of this. It's my understanding that everything is collected and analysed during these searches.