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This reflects poorly on Amazon. Contesting the initial award is one thing. Continuing their protests after a year of legal proceedings ended in favor of their c

This reflects poorly on Amazon. Contesting the initial award is one thing. Continuing their protests after a year of legal proceedings ended in favor of their competitor demonstrates a sense of entitlement.

mushufasa 6y ago
Henry Kissinger speaks.
oreaway 6y ago
I disagree completely. This is how you fight corruption. You don't just throw up your hands and say "welp the system is rigged, guess we will give up". Would you say the same thing in a civil rights case? Should we just give up all anti-racism efforts because "well we've already tried for a year but didn't make any progress"? Do you think it also reflects poorly on the ACLU or EFF for continuing their fights even after years of unproductive legal proceedings? If the process is corrupt (and based on all public knowledge of JEDI, it absolutely seems like the award was given based on Trump's personal idealogies) then I believe it reflects extremely positively on Amazon to finally stand up to this type of bullshit, rather than rolling over and saying "well that's just how govt contracting is".
bob33212 6y ago
This is an all or nothing situation for Bezos. Either they win this or they say "Fuck it, FedGov/FedRamp are EOL. Have fun with MSFT/ORCL/IBM"
- oreaway 6y ago
  What are you talking about? AWS has an absurd amount of government contracts, JEDI notwithstanding. A quick Google estimates that ~20% of AWS revenue comes from govcloud, and I don't think that even includes the secret contracts AWS supposedly has with the three letter agencies.
  - Bedon292 6y ago
    https://aws.amazon.com/federal/us-intelligence-community/ https://aws.amazon.com/federal/us-intelligence-community/ not so secret
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  There's a lot of non-DoD (and even non-federal-government) customers, some very large, with federal data with FedRamp constraints (some of which require govcloud, some on FedRamp certified commercial offerings); Amazon isn't going to dump all of them even if their litigation over JEDI eventually fails. That said, they seemed on the road to win before the do over caused the lawsuit to be put on hold, so unless DoD provably really did do it right this time, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up winning and all the do over does is delay that win.
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dragonwriter 6y ago
> Contesting the initial award is one thing. Continuing their protests after a year of legal proceedings ended in favor of their competitor demonstrates a sense of entitlement. The legal proceedings did not end in favor of their competitor, they were put on hold because DoD short-circuited the legal proceedings—which were going well for Amazon—by deciding to void the initial decision and do a do-over (in which, Amazon alleges, they simply repeated the violations for which they were challenged the first time). They will now resume.

mushufasa 6y ago

Henry Kissinger speaks.

oreaway 6y ago

I disagree completely. This is how you fight corruption. You don't just throw up your hands and say "welp the system is rigged, guess we will give up". Would you say the same thing in a civil rights case? Should we just give up all anti-racism efforts because "well we've already tried for a year but didn't make any progress"? Do you think it also reflects poorly on the ACLU or EFF for continuing their fights even after years of unproductive legal proceedings? If the process is corrupt (and based on all public knowledge of JEDI, it absolutely seems like the award was given based on Trump's personal idealogies) then I believe it reflects extremely positively on Amazon to finally stand up to this type of bullshit, rather than rolling over and saying "well that's just how govt contracting is".

bob33212 6y ago

This is an all or nothing situation for Bezos. Either they win this or they say "Fuck it, FedGov/FedRamp are EOL. Have fun with MSFT/ORCL/IBM"

oreaway 6y ago
What are you talking about? AWS has an absurd amount of government contracts, JEDI notwithstanding. A quick Google estimates that ~20% of AWS revenue comes from govcloud, and I don't think that even includes the secret contracts AWS supposedly has with the three letter agencies.
- Bedon292 6y ago
  https://aws.amazon.com/federal/us-intelligence-community/ https://aws.amazon.com/federal/us-intelligence-community/ not so secret
dragonwriter 6y ago
There's a lot of non-DoD (and even non-federal-government) customers, some very large, with federal data with FedRamp constraints (some of which require govcloud, some on FedRamp certified commercial offerings); Amazon isn't going to dump all of them even if their litigation over JEDI eventually fails. That said, they seemed on the road to win before the do over caused the lawsuit to be put on hold, so unless DoD provably really did do it right this time, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up winning and all the do over does is delay that win.
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dragonwriter 6y ago

> Contesting the initial award is one thing. Continuing their protests after a year of legal proceedings ended in favor of their competitor demonstrates a sense of entitlement. The legal proceedings did not end in favor of their competitor, they were put on hold because DoD short-circuited the legal proceedings—which were going well for Amazon—by deciding to void the initial decision and do a do-over (in which, Amazon alleges, they simply repeated the violations for which they were challenged the first time). They will now resume.