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So what exactly is Amazon claiming? That Microsoft didn't actually meet the RFP conditions? That Microsoft was given the contract despite a higher price? That A

by jsnell 6y ago

So what exactly is Amazon claiming? That Microsoft didn't actually meet the RFP conditions? That Microsoft was given the contract despite a higher price? That Amazon should have been granted the contract despite a higher price and both providers meeting the requirements, since AWS deserves it due to some unquantifiable market leader je ne sais quoi?

HenryKissinger 6y ago
This reflects poorly on Amazon. Contesting the initial award is one thing. Continuing their protests after a year of legal proceedings ended in favor of their competitor demonstrates a sense of entitlement.
- mushufasa 6y ago
  Henry Kissinger speaks.
- oreaway 6y ago
  I disagree completely. This is how you fight corruption. You don't just throw up your hands and say "welp the system is rigged, guess we will give up". Would you say the same thing in a civil rights case? Should we just give up all anti-racism efforts because "well we've already tried for a year but didn't make any progress"? Do you think it also reflects poorly on the ACLU or EFF for continuing their fights even after years of unproductive legal proceedings? If the process is corrupt (and based on all public knowledge of JEDI, it absolutely seems like the award was given based on Trump's personal idealogies) then I believe it reflects extremely positively on Amazon to finally stand up to this type of bullshit, rather than rolling over and saying "well that's just how govt contracting is".
- bob33212 6y ago
  This is an all or nothing situation for Bezos. Either they win this or they say "Fuck it, FedGov/FedRamp are EOL. Have fun with MSFT/ORCL/IBM"
  - oreaway 6y ago
    What are you talking about? AWS has an absurd amount of government contracts, JEDI notwithstanding. A quick Google estimates that ~20% of AWS revenue comes from govcloud, and I don't think that even includes the secret contracts AWS supposedly has with the three letter agencies.
    - Bedon292 6y ago
      https://aws.amazon.com/federal/us-intelligence-community/ https://aws.amazon.com/federal/us-intelligence-community/ not so secret
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    There's a lot of non-DoD (and even non-federal-government) customers, some very large, with federal data with FedRamp constraints (some of which require govcloud, some on FedRamp certified commercial offerings); Amazon isn't going to dump all of them even if their litigation over JEDI eventually fails. That said, they seemed on the road to win before the do over caused the lawsuit to be put on hold, so unless DoD provably really did do it right this time, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up winning and all the do over does is delay that win.
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- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Contesting the initial award is one thing. Continuing their protests after a year of legal proceedings ended in favor of their competitor demonstrates a sense of entitlement. The legal proceedings did not end in favor of their competitor, they were put on hold because DoD short-circuited the legal proceedings—which were going well for Amazon—by deciding to void the initial decision and do a do-over (in which, Amazon alleges, they simply repeated the violations for which they were challenged the first time). They will now resume.
themacguffinman 6y ago
Amazon is claiming that Microsoft did not meet the requirements: > In February, the Court of Federal Claims stopped performance on JEDI. The Court determined AWS’s protest had merit, and that Microsoft’s proposal likely failed to meet a key solicitation requirement and was likely deficient and ineligible for award. Our protest detailed how pervasive these errors were (impacting all six technical evaluation factors), and the Judge stopped the DoD from moving forward because the very first issue she reviewed demonstrated serious flaws.
tootie 6y ago
They're claiming political influence and they have the president's public statements as evidence.
outside1234 6y ago
Its a mega contract and therefore worth wasting lawyers and our tax payer money on for a decade.
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  Good news is that stopping the contract means less growth in the Federal government's incursion into our lives

by jsnell 6y ago

HenryKissinger 6y ago

This reflects poorly on Amazon. Contesting the initial award is one thing. Continuing their protests after a year of legal proceedings ended in favor of their competitor demonstrates a sense of entitlement.

mushufasa 6y ago
Henry Kissinger speaks.
oreaway 6y ago
I disagree completely. This is how you fight corruption. You don't just throw up your hands and say "welp the system is rigged, guess we will give up". Would you say the same thing in a civil rights case? Should we just give up all anti-racism efforts because "well we've already tried for a year but didn't make any progress"? Do you think it also reflects poorly on the ACLU or EFF for continuing their fights even after years of unproductive legal proceedings? If the process is corrupt (and based on all public knowledge of JEDI, it absolutely seems like the award was given based on Trump's personal idealogies) then I believe it reflects extremely positively on Amazon to finally stand up to this type of bullshit, rather than rolling over and saying "well that's just how govt contracting is".
bob33212 6y ago
This is an all or nothing situation for Bezos. Either they win this or they say "Fuck it, FedGov/FedRamp are EOL. Have fun with MSFT/ORCL/IBM"
- oreaway 6y ago
  What are you talking about? AWS has an absurd amount of government contracts, JEDI notwithstanding. A quick Google estimates that ~20% of AWS revenue comes from govcloud, and I don't think that even includes the secret contracts AWS supposedly has with the three letter agencies.
  - Bedon292 6y ago
    https://aws.amazon.com/federal/us-intelligence-community/ https://aws.amazon.com/federal/us-intelligence-community/ not so secret
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  There's a lot of non-DoD (and even non-federal-government) customers, some very large, with federal data with FedRamp constraints (some of which require govcloud, some on FedRamp certified commercial offerings); Amazon isn't going to dump all of them even if their litigation over JEDI eventually fails. That said, they seemed on the road to win before the do over caused the lawsuit to be put on hold, so unless DoD provably really did do it right this time, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up winning and all the do over does is delay that win.
- deleted 6y ago
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dragonwriter 6y ago
> Contesting the initial award is one thing. Continuing their protests after a year of legal proceedings ended in favor of their competitor demonstrates a sense of entitlement. The legal proceedings did not end in favor of their competitor, they were put on hold because DoD short-circuited the legal proceedings—which were going well for Amazon—by deciding to void the initial decision and do a do-over (in which, Amazon alleges, they simply repeated the violations for which they were challenged the first time). They will now resume.

themacguffinman 6y ago

Amazon is claiming that Microsoft did not meet the requirements: > In February, the Court of Federal Claims stopped performance on JEDI. The Court determined AWS’s protest had merit, and that Microsoft’s proposal likely failed to meet a key solicitation requirement and was likely deficient and ineligible for award. Our protest detailed how pervasive these errors were (impacting all six technical evaluation factors), and the Judge stopped the DoD from moving forward because the very first issue she reviewed demonstrated serious flaws.

tootie 6y ago

They're claiming political influence and they have the president's public statements as evidence.

outside1234 6y ago

Its a mega contract and therefore worth wasting lawyers and our tax payer money on for a decade.

srtjstjsj 6y ago
Good news is that stopping the contract means less growth in the Federal government's incursion into our lives