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> I would bootstrap it by seizing a small, resource rich area That's probably a prerequisite, but the issue is, there is virtually 0 unclaimed land on Earth. Y
by maest 6y ago
> I would bootstrap it by seizing a small, resource rich area
That's probably a prerequisite, but the issue is, there is virtually 0 unclaimed land on Earth. You need to find some ways to avoid having larger nations stiffle you during the early days. So your options would be:
1. Use a remote island nobody cares about (or create an island in the middle of the ocean). There was an idea to create such a nation for media piracy reasons, I can't remember the name. An outlandish project where they'd buy an island, declare themselves a new nation and have very lax IP laws.
2. Find a political power void. Good candidates are places with little rule of the law and/or weak governments. Ideally a place where there is no well organised force maintaining peace. War-torn areas might seem to fit the bill, but are probably to volatile to work.
3. Go off-planet, if space colonisation becomes a thing during our lifetime.
Also, when it comes to creating a new nation, the CHAZ in Seattle is a great example in what _not_ to do. CHAZ was never going to work, but execution was so bad the problem basically took care of itself with virtually no involvement from the US govt.
- john-shaffer 6y agoCHAZ was the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle, not Portland.
- maest 6y agoFixed that, thanks!
- selimthegrim 6y agoBiafra, Katanga and ISIS forgot about the superpower part.
- motohagiography 6y agoA narco state is another option as well. The alternative is to hollow out the institutions of an existing state using a movement. Takes about a generation, but you get an intact society with it. Game of Thrones' "Sparrows," are an example of it. You'd need a viral idea that people would seize upon and be willing to sacrifice themselves in service of it. They could teach it to kids so that it's all they ever knew, and as they matured they would inherit the reins of institutional power, and then use them in service of the idea. It's easier to get people to be against something than for it. I can't think of one off hand, but I suppose if you got them to imagine there were no countries, which wouldn't be difficult, and then not believing in anything strongly enough to kill to save or protect, and then no religion either, they could imagine living life in peace. Anyway, not to solution it. Just saying, it's not as complex as the OP writes.
- searchableguy 6y ago> Go off-planet, if space colonisation becomes a thing during our lifetime https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgardia https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Asgardia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations
- awinder 6y agoWas it the Pirate Bay? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20070112/6076/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20070112/6076/a... I remember this but I felt like there was a floating boat nation plan too.
- maest 6y agoYes, Sealand, that was the one.
- news_to_me 6y agoI don't think Seattle's CHOP (née CHAZ) is very relevant here — it was a protest occupation, more in common with Occupy Wall Street than a serious attempt of any kind of secession. (Of course, participants' own ideas for what it should be were varied.)
- maest 6y agoI think what set CHOP/CHAZ apart was that they actively tried to self police. Violence monopoly is a common definition for a state. I don't recall Occupy Wall Street having their own policing task force (maybe they did and I'm misremembering).