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> And that's aside from the point that, when everyone is remote, you're also competing with the world who is also remote. Yup... once everyone is remote anyway

> And that's aside from the point that, when everyone is remote, you're also competing with the world who is also remote. Yup... once everyone is remote anyway, won't take too long for some manager to decide to offshore work to cheaper countries. Even if that doesn't happen to you, if it happens to enough people elsewhere it'll bring salaries down for everyone.

thesizeofa 6y ago
Just how incompetent are you if you can easily be replaced by a cheap inexperienced worker in india?
WalterBright 6y ago
The D community is all over the world. We're used to that!
sJ646U9k6c6gME9 6y ago
Offshoring is not a new concept, and everyone knows it doesn’t work. How come offshoring hasn’t eaten my lunch yet?
- thesizeofa 6y ago
  Because you got skill and s/he doesnt. Hence it launches attacks on foreigners.
- bluedino 6y ago
  For many people it has.
- ThrowawayR2 6y ago
  Because the pandemic is forcing literally _everybody_ to work their tails off to figure out how to make remote work succeed. Once managers master that (and they will because they have no choice), it's a tiny, tiny jump to offshoring.
  - redisman 6y ago
    Are you talking about hiring professional software engineers full-time from other countries? I think that is actually plausible and I've seen it work at multiple companies. Buying services from a "offsourcing" shop on the other hand - always a complete disaster or literally more time managing them than to build it yourself.
rbg246 6y ago
They have had that option for twenty years already. It hasn't happened because cultural fit is super important to a business if it wants to create a quality product. Look at the areas where the services have been outsourced to overseas, it's support and maintenance of products and services, generally post-sales support where they don't care about the quality of the service or it's a company with a natural monopoly and they care more about saving money than providing a good service. Having a hand picked team with unique interlocking skills is what creates a quality product, you can't do that if you are outsourcing entire teams overseas, you have no control on who you are hiring and quality. Or at the least these problems are super difficult to overcome and probably the cost to overcome them is too much for anything less than a global company to get any savings out of doing. PS I've totally generalised to make a point, there are 1000s of exceptions I am sure.
ashtonkem 6y ago
I disagree. Time zone, communication, and cultural familiarity are still factors. Practically speaking if you’re an American dev, your biggest competition isn’t someone from Ukraine or India, but rather a fellow American that’s moved to Iowa.

thesizeofa 6y ago

Just how incompetent are you if you can easily be replaced by a cheap inexperienced worker in india?

WalterBright 6y ago

The D community is all over the world. We're used to that!

sJ646U9k6c6gME9 6y ago

Offshoring is not a new concept, and everyone knows it doesn’t work. How come offshoring hasn’t eaten my lunch yet?

thesizeofa 6y ago
Because you got skill and s/he doesnt. Hence it launches attacks on foreigners.
bluedino 6y ago
For many people it has.
ThrowawayR2 6y ago
Because the pandemic is forcing literally _everybody_ to work their tails off to figure out how to make remote work succeed. Once managers master that (and they will because they have no choice), it's a tiny, tiny jump to offshoring.
- redisman 6y ago
  Are you talking about hiring professional software engineers full-time from other countries? I think that is actually plausible and I've seen it work at multiple companies. Buying services from a "offsourcing" shop on the other hand - always a complete disaster or literally more time managing them than to build it yourself.

rbg246 6y ago

They have had that option for twenty years already. It hasn't happened because cultural fit is super important to a business if it wants to create a quality product. Look at the areas where the services have been outsourced to overseas, it's support and maintenance of products and services, generally post-sales support where they don't care about the quality of the service or it's a company with a natural monopoly and they care more about saving money than providing a good service. Having a hand picked team with unique interlocking skills is what creates a quality product, you can't do that if you are outsourcing entire teams overseas, you have no control on who you are hiring and quality. Or at the least these problems are super difficult to overcome and probably the cost to overcome them is too much for anything less than a global company to get any savings out of doing. PS I've totally generalised to make a point, there are 1000s of exceptions I am sure.

ashtonkem 6y ago

I disagree. Time zone, communication, and cultural familiarity are still factors. Practically speaking if you’re an American dev, your biggest competition isn’t someone from Ukraine or India, but rather a fellow American that’s moved to Iowa.