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Was Satoshi a Cryptographer? EDIT: (probably) No [1] [1] https://cointelegraph.com/news/satoshi-nakamoto-had-outside-cryptography-help-says-early-bitcoin-dev

• ydnaclementine 6y ago
  PDF literally says no, probably not
• claudiulodro 6y ago
  I like the theory that Satoshi was Paul Le Roux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Le_Roux#Satoshi_Nakamoto_candidate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Le_Roux#Satoshi_Nakamoto_...
  • MrXOR 6y ago
    No, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20118746 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20118746
    • MrXOR 6y ago
      Satoshi used Hungarian notation?!
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  • macspoofing 6y ago
    I think it's either Hal Finney or Dave Kleiman. Both have background in crypto and security, and both have been deceased since early 2010s - just before the meteoric rise of bitcoin. The second part is key, because given the prominence and status of bitcoin they would have been unable to stay anonymous or silent.
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    • betterunix2 6y ago
      Have you considered the possibility that Satoshi was some random cryptography enthusiast of little note who died in a traffic accident? He probably told nobody about his project, and the lengths he went to to remain anonymous make me think he used full disk encryption -- so his family, not knowing his passphrase, probably unknowingly destroyed all evidence of his work on Bitcoin after he passed away. What makes you think Satoshi had any background in cryptography? Everything about the Bitcoin whitepaper and even the design of Bitcoin itself says otherwise.
      • macspoofing 6y ago
        >Have you considered the possibility that Satoshi was some random cryptography enthusiast of little note who died in a traffic accident? Yes. That could also be the case. The individual behind 'Satoshi' has probably died.
    • xorcist 6y ago
      > they would have been unable to stay anonymous or silent. Not necessarily. Satoshi obviously planned his pseudonymity from the start. The decision to leave the project may very well have been taken long before it was carried out. Satoshi could be alive and well. Maybe he carried on his work under his real name, as one developer among many, or maybe not. He obviously thought fairness and trust was important enough to value to form for him to prove the non-possbility of backdating the chain (later known as premining). Planned obsolescence for the creator plays well into this scenario. In hindsight, having no real creator has served Bitcoin well. People would have listened too much to the creator for a decentralized decision process by consensus to form.
      • macspoofing 6y ago
        >Not necessarily. Satoshi obviously planned his pseudonymity from the start. The decision to leave the project may very well have been taken long before it was carried out. I don't think so. I can't disprove your claim, but people aren't very good at that kind of planning and execution. Too many things can go wrong for them to either maintain anonymity or prevent others from maintaining this anonymity. It comes off as a bad Hollywood movie. I think the person behind Satoshi has died. >In hindsight, having no real creator has served Bitcoin well. We'll see. It's too early to tell. One thing's for sure, I see a lot of less places that take bitcoin as currency then I did a few years ago. Also, the community is much more divided, and there are massive structural issues with bitcoin, from technical issues around the protocol itself, to lack of unified vision leading to forks and arguments, to massive amount of illegal behaviour. >People would have listened too much to the creator for a decentralized decision process by consensus to form. Is the leadership decentralized though? At the end of the day, someone needs to hold the keys for the code the runs the bitcoin protocol. Ultimately that individual or group has the power to do anything they want with bitcoin.
  • trollied 6y ago
    Have you read The Mastermind? I won't spoil things, but what a man Paul Le Roux is.... SUrprised there aren't 10 documentaries & films on Netflix about him.
    • akeck 6y ago
      Finally finished it this summer. So fascinating and so disturbing at the same time. Re: him being Satoshi, it's the type of thing of which he was certainly capable, but after a certain point in the development of his operations, I don't think he had the time.
      • meowface 6y ago
        From what I've seen, it just seems too implausible to me even beyond the practical considerations. Satoshi was carefully guarded, but I suspect something not that far off from his real personality shone through in all of his posts and emails. Maybe even something very close to it. I have no idea what his moral character is, but my gut feeling is that he's just not the sort of person who would work as a bogus pharmaceutical seller, spammer, drug trafficker, arms trafficker, and murderer. Of course I can't possibly claim to know this with any certainty, but I just have the feeling it's very unlikely he's anything close to a Pablo Escobar-type. My guess is he's a single individual whose real identity has never been publicly suggested as a serious Satoshi suspect.
    • s5300 6y ago
      ... Huh I do a lot of Wikipedia reading about strange folk in this world. I had not yet come across this dude. Wiki page is quite the interesting read. Thanks for making me aware of him.
  • mrkramer 6y ago
    I think Satoshi is Craig Wright like it or not. I did some research on Craig's historical writings and I compared it to Satoshi and I found many similarities between them. I will publish my research when I get more time. I did my research as a historian would do so I started from the basics and the first clue was Satoshi used perfect British English so most likely he is not American like some people imply. And why an American would link to British daily national newspaper cover like Satoshi did in Genesis Block?[1][2] [1]https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block [2] https://www.okex.com/academy/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/thetimescover.png?x-oss-process=image/quality,q_85 https://www.okex.com/academy/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/thet...
    • MrXOR 6y ago
      No, Craig Wright is Fakoshi! https://hackingdistributed.com/2016/05/04/logical-fallacies-hunt-satoshi/ https://hackingdistributed.com/2016/05/04/logical-fallacies-...
    • fyleo 6y ago
      I met Craig last year in person and spent some time reading his book. No way he is Satoshi; he refused to give straight answers to rather simple questions and spent the whole time making rather obvious allegations. From all the dodgy people I met in crypto over the last years, if I ever met someone where just everything screams “conman” then it was Craig. I might be wrong, who knows. But I’d be willing to make a huge bet against him.
      • mrkramer 6y ago
        @fyleo Time will tell, Satoshi's identity can not remain secret forever.
        • betterunix2 6y ago
          Sure it can. His use of remailers makes me think he used full disk encryption. His sudden disappearance makes me think he unexpectedly died (e.g. in a traffic accident), and his family probably did not know his passphrase. All evidence of this person's work on Bitcoin was probably unintentionally destroyed in that scenario, and the people who destroyed it have no idea what their loved one was up to before his death (and will never mention it, for lack of knowledge).
  • zadler 6y ago
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcvX0P1b5g https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcvX0P1b5g It’s Adam Back. Watch this video and you’ll likely be convinced.
• walkingolof 6y ago
  Looking at the 0.1 code he comes around as a C++ hobbyists, not a professional.
  • MrXOR 6y ago
    Could you please clarify?
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  • sparkie 6y ago
    Comes across as an academic, not a professional.
• betterunix2 6y ago
  Almost certainly not. A few things immediately stood out to me when I looked at the original Bitcoin whitepaper: 1. No clear security definition, making it hard to know what counts as a successful attack against the system he proposed. Moreover, Bitcoin requires the honest parties to do more work than the attacker, which would appear backwards to most cryptographers and further complicates efforts to precisely define the security goal. 2. No mention of the mountain of previous research on cryptographic payments. He makes claims that "all" previous systems require an intermediary for each transaction, which is not true (see: offline+transferable ecash does not, but this is not mentioned anywhere). This is not just a stylistic issue; the whitepaper has a bibliography, it simply failed to mention anything that a cryptographer would have considered related work. When Satoshi announced his idea to the cryptography mailing list a great deal of confusion ensued because the cryptographers on the list were familiar with the previous research and assumed this was in some way related. 3. Specifying algorithms and data structures with C++ code without giving higher level descriptions. This makes it hard to analyze the system because of the various ambiguities of C++ and the unnecessary and often confusing syntax. I would also add the various, entirely arbitrary constants chosen for the system, which seem to have just been chosen at random (given the lack of formal analysis it is unlikely that these are fundamental to security). This is not how cryptographers typically communicate their designs. I would say Satoshi was an enthusiast/hobbyist who had a passing knowledge of a few cryptographic constructions he read about in books or forums. At best his formal education on the topic was likely an undergrad level course, probably taught by someone whose expertise was applied security rather than cryptography; it is more likely that he had no formal education in cryptography at all.
  • SatoshiUNO 6y ago
    No one really taught me anything commerce. I created the base Logic for blockchain without a computer the main point of C plus plus was creating a another Stone marker. Those who own the software produced the code there for the installation ID and other sources can linked back to a true origin not a story. I was 17 in 2007. - Lucas - Satoshi of April 5th. We are a team. You can follow my story soon. Www.Satoshi.uno
  • hombre_fatal 6y ago