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You cannot take a poll in isolation like that. It's not like the drivers don't understand the implications involved in the questions. Uber and Lyft have spent a

You cannot take a poll in isolation like that. It's not like the drivers don't understand the implications involved in the questions. Uber and Lyft have spent a ton of money making it seem as though they have no choice in the matter and will have to fire half the drivers and put the other half on rigid schedules if they become employees. That context will affect the answers. The real nugget of gold in that study is Q13. 83% of drivers support a third class of worker (between employee and IC). CA's Congress failed drivers with AB5. They should have defined that third class. Now Uber/Lyft get to dictate the terms we will vote on instead and drivers lose either way.

bhupy 6y ago
> You cannot take a poll in isolation like that. No more than you can take a single driver's anecdote in a NYT Op-Ed in isolation. The argument is that the aggregate poll is better than the anecdote, not that it's the platonic ideal. > The real nugget of gold in that study is Q13. 83% of drivers support a third class of worker (between employee and IC). CA's Congress failed drivers with AB5. They should have defined that third class. Now Uber/Lyft get to dictate the terms we will vote on instead and drivers lose either way. I'm not sure how that refutes anything, it's strictly additive. One question asks about the status quo, the next question asks about how they feel about a future proposal. Both provide pretty valuable data in analyzing the political popularity. And of course Uber/Lyft get to dictate the terms, until now the legislators dictated it by passing AB5 (the current status quo). From the first set of questions, it's pretty clear that drivers polled feel differently about the status quo. Now Uber/Lyft are proposing an alternative.
- henryfjordan 6y ago
  A flawed poll is not necessarily better or worse than an anecdote. I believe the poll is polluted by the FUD Uber/Lyft have been propagating (including most recently threatening to shut down with little notice if they didn't get their way in court). Of course someone who wants to work will say they prefer the option that seems more safe/stable, and that's being an IC right now.
  - bhupy 6y ago
    > I believe the poll is polluted by the FUD Uber/Lyft have been propagating (including most recently threatening to shut down with little notice if they didn't get their way in court) Honest question: what would convince you that a poll isn't "polluted by FUD"?

bhupy 6y ago

> You cannot take a poll in isolation like that. No more than you can take a single driver's anecdote in a NYT Op-Ed in isolation. The argument is that the aggregate poll is better than the anecdote, not that it's the platonic ideal. > The real nugget of gold in that study is Q13. 83% of drivers support a third class of worker (between employee and IC). CA's Congress failed drivers with AB5. They should have defined that third class. Now Uber/Lyft get to dictate the terms we will vote on instead and drivers lose either way. I'm not sure how that refutes anything, it's strictly additive. One question asks about the status quo, the next question asks about how they feel about a future proposal. Both provide pretty valuable data in analyzing the political popularity. And of course Uber/Lyft get to dictate the terms, until now the legislators dictated it by passing AB5 (the current status quo). From the first set of questions, it's pretty clear that drivers polled feel differently about the status quo. Now Uber/Lyft are proposing an alternative.

henryfjordan 6y ago
A flawed poll is not necessarily better or worse than an anecdote. I believe the poll is polluted by the FUD Uber/Lyft have been propagating (including most recently threatening to shut down with little notice if they didn't get their way in court). Of course someone who wants to work will say they prefer the option that seems more safe/stable, and that's being an IC right now.
- bhupy 6y ago
  > I believe the poll is polluted by the FUD Uber/Lyft have been propagating (including most recently threatening to shut down with little notice if they didn't get their way in court) Honest question: what would convince you that a poll isn't "polluted by FUD"?