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It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of

It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.

pgrote 6y ago
I think that problem has been solved for the most part. https://reelgood.com/ https://reelgood.com/ and other services are excellent for it. To me, the real issue is finding movies/tv shows where you cannot buy or rent them. Amazingly, it is still an issue in this world. I would love to see The Bob Mathias Story from 1954. It was created by Allied Artists that has been bought and sold a few times ending up at ViacomCBS. Through many weeks of trying to find out if I could get a copy the best I could get was ViacomCBS sometimes allows it to be shown on TV. I want to buy/rent a copy of movie that exists and cannot. How in 2020 can this happen?
- Wingman4l7 6y ago
  Send me an email (check my profile for the address): https://i.imgur.com/A8xmXBz.png https://i.imgur.com/A8xmXBz.png
- novok 6y ago
  oh thanks for the link, i've been looking for something that replaced canistreamit
- hannob 6y ago
  > I think that problem has been solved for the most part. > >https://reelgood.com/ https://reelgood.com/ I get: "Heads up! Reelgood does not support your region yet."
- pwinnski 6y ago
  No counts here, which is one reason I use https://www.justwatch.com https://www.justwatch.com Sometimes I'm curious about how many movies a service has.
- discardable_dan 6y ago
  This is not unilateral, and not the terminal answer. Due to the bundling going on right now, many shows are getting pushed behind absurd paywalls. For example, if I would like to watch Season 11 of RuPaul Drag Race, I would need to get a subscription to FuboTV, a "live sports and TV" service with 100+ standard cable channels. The best price they can do to include this content is $65 / mo. For a single show I care about! After some checking around, I did find it for $20 / season on Amazon, which comes with the following license agreement: > Offers and pricing for subscriptions (also referred to at times as memberships), the subscription services, the extent of available Subscription Digital Content, and the specific titles available through subscription services, may change over time and by location without notice (except as may be required by applicable law). So... I can give them $20 for them to stream it to me for however long they'd like. It is impossible to buy the series on DVD. This is not an isolated incident. As with the late what.cd, at some point these torrent services also serve as an archive of secondary and rare work. This particular example does not fall into that category, but it is not hard to find others, such as the classic Max Headroom, that do (https://reelgood.com/show/max-headroom-1987 https://reelgood.com/show/max-headroom-1987).
- HeadsUpHigh 6y ago
  Not available in my region lmao nothing is solved. Region locking is deeper than just what a single service can do.
SN76477 6y ago
Piracy is a service issue.
- seph-reed 6y ago
  I wish there was a service where I could donate money to the animators, composers, writers, etc for a movie. I want to pay them directly for their work. Trickle down be damned. Could also be nice if there was some sort of system where the people who actually worked on the film could decide who really deserves the money.
  - calvano915 6y ago
    Comedians were doing pay what you'd like or other crowdfunded specials but then Netflix started buying them instead.
- hesdeadjim 6y ago
  Hardly, piracy exists because people can't resist getting something for free when the consequences are non-existent. It's fundamentally a moral issue, but practitioners are dexterous at avoiding that line of thinking.
  - BoorishBears 6y ago
    Exactly this, people complain about how many different services there are... Most of them individually have more content than you can watch in a lifetime. What about the concept of, picking the shows you have access to watch? If the service barely has anything you watch, what happens if you don't get access to it? People compare this all to cable, the problem with cable is you couldn't just pay $10 and get something. You payed $10 for a cable box, then you payed $30 for standard definition, then you added 20 dollars here and there for packages and HD, and a fee for mobile viewing. Now you can pay $30 for one or two services and get access to more content than people were paying hundreds for! But then the complaint becomes "yes but I can't watch literally everything"?
    - 6y ago
kej 6y ago
Not to distract from the bigger piracy issues, but I've found JustWatch.com and their mobile app to be a quick way to figure out where a given show or movie is available. No relation to them, just a satisfied user.
tehwebguy 6y ago
I'm not blaming you as you aren't the one to set them in the first place, but the goal posts keep moving! Two decades post-Napster we finally have what everyone wanted all along: an easy, cheap way to watch almost every movie without leaving the couch / listen to almost every song from almost any device. But now it's not good enough unless it's literally every piece of content from a single origin 0_0
- jjulius 6y ago
  I mentioned this elsewhere in the thread, but it's frustrating paying for a subscription to a streaming service when there's no guarantee the content - unless it's original content created by that service - will always be there. We're seeing more and more content getting split up and requiring more and more separate subscriptions as time goes on.
  - danudey 6y ago
    You're kind of wanting it both ways, to some extent. I mean, I'm annoyed that Netflix had a bunch of Marvel movies, but not all of them. I'm annoyed that I used to watch them on Netflix all the time and now they're gone. On the other hand, it's because Disney+ exists, and there's no reason for Disney+ to ever remove them (preasumably), since they own the rights to them so there's no licensing deals to work with. That means that they should be there "forever". Likewise, I don't want to also have to pay for CBS All Access to watch the latest Trek, but, if I do, it does mean that I don't have to worry about Star Trek: Discovery disappearing down the road. The only way for things to be there "forever" is to be streaming from the company that owns the copyright, and more and more such companies are setting up their streaming services and can then guarantee that "foreverness", but that comes at costs for them, and thus costs for us. It's unfortunate, but it feels as though it's either one or the other.
    - jjulius 6y ago
      Right, that's my point, and the fundamental quandry at play the entire time streaming has been an option. For a brief moment, most content was consolidated on just a few select services and most people found it more affordable than cable services. Now, in order to guarantee that we always have access to content, we're ultimately being asked to pay for more services at a total cost that looks more like the cable fees we didn't enjoy paying to begin with. We cut cords because of cost, and now that savings is almost gone and we're back to square one. I don't have an answer and it's not an easy question to solve, I'm just saying that that's the point of frustration for a lot of people. Edit: In some sense, what we have now - and seem to continue expanding upon - is worse than before. We used to be able to find it all on one cable provider with one UI, now we have to pay the same amount that many people found to be "too much" and have to deal with countless different UIs.
POTUS 6y ago
Let's not kid ourselves, finding a torrent for a movie or looking up which service it streams on are both the same level of easy.[] The issue is you have to subscribe to all those different services, which is what most people are probably not willing to do. Now if a show or movie doesn't stream in your region or isn't otherwise easily online accessible, that's a different story. In that case it's on the industry to do better. When content is readily available on a streaming service, I don't think it's fair to point at the entertainment industry and say they have a problem to solve. In that case 'the problem' might actually be people wanting to watch movies and not pay for it. []https://www.justwatch.com https://www.justwatch.com
- lostlogin 6y ago
  More than once I’ve torrented a movie series because of hostile DRM. I used to play things on a Mac that was connected to a TV. DVDs wouldn’t play on an external screen. Actively preventing me from viewing the content caused me to just torrent it, then after a few occurrences I stopped buying or renting DVDs. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.macworld.com/article/3116414/oops-you-cant-play-most-protected-digital-video-on-an-external-mac-monitor.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.macworld.com/article/311641...
  - sandworm101 6y ago
    I'll admit to torrenting things I have total access to because the particular material that I already pay good money for doesn't run on the device on which I wish to view the paid for content. If your service doesn't stream to linux devices, and your customer is stuck in an airport hotel with only his linux laptop, either stop complaining about torrents or fix your service.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
      Likewise, if I need to change my public ip to access a service it's far easier to just download the content and serve it myself.
rhino369 6y ago
If cost wasn't an issue, I don't think that's really true. My friend uses sonarr + usenet and its not as easy as amazon/google/itunes/redbox/fandago rentals or purchases on a roku.
- GiorgioG 6y ago
  Cost isn't an issue for me (I pay for a bunch of these services already) - I much prefer the alternative where I can open up Plex and find everything I want there in one place. Shows shift from service to service as licenses expire, etc...it's a huge pain in the ass as a consumer.
  - novok 6y ago
    Apple TV is actually pretty good for that. You voice search for a title and it tells you which apps provide that title.
    - jjulius 6y ago
      But for me, there's no guarantee that Apple TV will be around forever, or always be contracted to have the same content. With something like Plex, my library is always my library and I don't have to worry about content disappearing.
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- quirrel 6y ago
  Yes and no. The initial setup isn’t obvious and the way the components work together is not easily found and understood. However with a decent How-To you can end up with something very impressive. A Slack alert can notify you of an automated download of a movie off someone’s top list or a TV series that has started screening again and has been downloaded. Automated piracy is impressive. https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/docker-home-media-server-2018-basic/ https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/docker-home-media-server-2...

pgrote 6y ago

I think that problem has been solved for the most part. https://reelgood.com/ https://reelgood.com/ and other services are excellent for it. To me, the real issue is finding movies/tv shows where you cannot buy or rent them. Amazingly, it is still an issue in this world. I would love to see The Bob Mathias Story from 1954. It was created by Allied Artists that has been bought and sold a few times ending up at ViacomCBS. Through many weeks of trying to find out if I could get a copy the best I could get was ViacomCBS sometimes allows it to be shown on TV. I want to buy/rent a copy of movie that exists and cannot. How in 2020 can this happen?

Wingman4l7 6y ago
Send me an email (check my profile for the address): https://i.imgur.com/A8xmXBz.png https://i.imgur.com/A8xmXBz.png
novok 6y ago
oh thanks for the link, i've been looking for something that replaced canistreamit
hannob 6y ago
> I think that problem has been solved for the most part. > >https://reelgood.com/ https://reelgood.com/ I get: "Heads up! Reelgood does not support your region yet."
pwinnski 6y ago
No counts here, which is one reason I use https://www.justwatch.com https://www.justwatch.com Sometimes I'm curious about how many movies a service has.
discardable_dan 6y ago
This is not unilateral, and not the terminal answer. Due to the bundling going on right now, many shows are getting pushed behind absurd paywalls. For example, if I would like to watch Season 11 of RuPaul Drag Race, I would need to get a subscription to FuboTV, a "live sports and TV" service with 100+ standard cable channels. The best price they can do to include this content is $65 / mo. For a single show I care about! After some checking around, I did find it for $20 / season on Amazon, which comes with the following license agreement: > Offers and pricing for subscriptions (also referred to at times as memberships), the subscription services, the extent of available Subscription Digital Content, and the specific titles available through subscription services, may change over time and by location without notice (except as may be required by applicable law). So... I can give them $20 for them to stream it to me for however long they'd like. It is impossible to buy the series on DVD. This is not an isolated incident. As with the late what.cd, at some point these torrent services also serve as an archive of secondary and rare work. This particular example does not fall into that category, but it is not hard to find others, such as the classic Max Headroom, that do (https://reelgood.com/show/max-headroom-1987 https://reelgood.com/show/max-headroom-1987).
HeadsUpHigh 6y ago
Not available in my region lmao nothing is solved. Region locking is deeper than just what a single service can do.

SN76477 6y ago

Piracy is a service issue.

seph-reed 6y ago
I wish there was a service where I could donate money to the animators, composers, writers, etc for a movie. I want to pay them directly for their work. Trickle down be damned. Could also be nice if there was some sort of system where the people who actually worked on the film could decide who really deserves the money.
- calvano915 6y ago
  Comedians were doing pay what you'd like or other crowdfunded specials but then Netflix started buying them instead.
hesdeadjim 6y ago
Hardly, piracy exists because people can't resist getting something for free when the consequences are non-existent. It's fundamentally a moral issue, but practitioners are dexterous at avoiding that line of thinking.
- BoorishBears 6y ago
  Exactly this, people complain about how many different services there are... Most of them individually have more content than you can watch in a lifetime. What about the concept of, picking the shows you have access to watch? If the service barely has anything you watch, what happens if you don't get access to it? People compare this all to cable, the problem with cable is you couldn't just pay $10 and get something. You payed $10 for a cable box, then you payed $30 for standard definition, then you added 20 dollars here and there for packages and HD, and a fee for mobile viewing. Now you can pay $30 for one or two services and get access to more content than people were paying hundreds for! But then the complaint becomes "yes but I can't watch literally everything"?
  - 6y ago

kej 6y ago

Not to distract from the bigger piracy issues, but I've found JustWatch.com and their mobile app to be a quick way to figure out where a given show or movie is available. No relation to them, just a satisfied user.

tehwebguy 6y ago

I'm not blaming you as you aren't the one to set them in the first place, but the goal posts keep moving! Two decades post-Napster we finally have what everyone wanted all along: an easy, cheap way to watch almost every movie without leaving the couch / listen to almost every song from almost any device. But now it's not good enough unless it's literally every piece of content from a single origin 0_0

jjulius 6y ago
I mentioned this elsewhere in the thread, but it's frustrating paying for a subscription to a streaming service when there's no guarantee the content - unless it's original content created by that service - will always be there. We're seeing more and more content getting split up and requiring more and more separate subscriptions as time goes on.
- danudey 6y ago
  You're kind of wanting it both ways, to some extent. I mean, I'm annoyed that Netflix had a bunch of Marvel movies, but not all of them. I'm annoyed that I used to watch them on Netflix all the time and now they're gone. On the other hand, it's because Disney+ exists, and there's no reason for Disney+ to ever remove them (preasumably), since they own the rights to them so there's no licensing deals to work with. That means that they should be there "forever". Likewise, I don't want to also have to pay for CBS All Access to watch the latest Trek, but, if I do, it does mean that I don't have to worry about Star Trek: Discovery disappearing down the road. The only way for things to be there "forever" is to be streaming from the company that owns the copyright, and more and more such companies are setting up their streaming services and can then guarantee that "foreverness", but that comes at costs for them, and thus costs for us. It's unfortunate, but it feels as though it's either one or the other.
  - jjulius 6y ago
    Right, that's my point, and the fundamental quandry at play the entire time streaming has been an option. For a brief moment, most content was consolidated on just a few select services and most people found it more affordable than cable services. Now, in order to guarantee that we always have access to content, we're ultimately being asked to pay for more services at a total cost that looks more like the cable fees we didn't enjoy paying to begin with. We cut cords because of cost, and now that savings is almost gone and we're back to square one. I don't have an answer and it's not an easy question to solve, I'm just saying that that's the point of frustration for a lot of people. Edit: In some sense, what we have now - and seem to continue expanding upon - is worse than before. We used to be able to find it all on one cable provider with one UI, now we have to pay the same amount that many people found to be "too much" and have to deal with countless different UIs.

POTUS 6y ago

Let's not kid ourselves, finding a torrent for a movie or looking up which service it streams on are both the same level of easy.[] The issue is you have to subscribe to all those different services, which is what most people are probably not willing to do. Now if a show or movie doesn't stream in your region or isn't otherwise easily online accessible, that's a different story. In that case it's on the industry to do better. When content is readily available on a streaming service, I don't think it's fair to point at the entertainment industry and say they have a problem to solve. In that case 'the problem' might actually be people wanting to watch movies and not pay for it. []https://www.justwatch.com https://www.justwatch.com

lostlogin 6y ago
More than once I’ve torrented a movie series because of hostile DRM. I used to play things on a Mac that was connected to a TV. DVDs wouldn’t play on an external screen. Actively preventing me from viewing the content caused me to just torrent it, then after a few occurrences I stopped buying or renting DVDs. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.macworld.com/article/3116414/oops-you-cant-play-most-protected-digital-video-on-an-external-mac-monitor.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.macworld.com/article/311641...
- sandworm101 6y ago
  I'll admit to torrenting things I have total access to because the particular material that I already pay good money for doesn't run on the device on which I wish to view the paid for content. If your service doesn't stream to linux devices, and your customer is stuck in an airport hotel with only his linux laptop, either stop complaining about torrents or fix your service.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    Likewise, if I need to change my public ip to access a service it's far easier to just download the content and serve it myself.

rhino369 6y ago

If cost wasn't an issue, I don't think that's really true. My friend uses sonarr + usenet and its not as easy as amazon/google/itunes/redbox/fandago rentals or purchases on a roku.

GiorgioG 6y ago
Cost isn't an issue for me (I pay for a bunch of these services already) - I much prefer the alternative where I can open up Plex and find everything I want there in one place. Shows shift from service to service as licenses expire, etc...it's a huge pain in the ass as a consumer.
- novok 6y ago
  Apple TV is actually pretty good for that. You voice search for a title and it tells you which apps provide that title.
  - jjulius 6y ago
    But for me, there's no guarantee that Apple TV will be around forever, or always be contracted to have the same content. With something like Plex, my library is always my library and I don't have to worry about content disappearing.
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quirrel 6y ago
Yes and no. The initial setup isn’t obvious and the way the components work together is not easily found and understood. However with a decent How-To you can end up with something very impressive. A Slack alert can notify you of an automated download of a movie off someone’s top list or a TV series that has started screening again and has been downloaded. Automated piracy is impressive. https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/docker-home-media-server-2018-basic/ https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/docker-home-media-server-2...