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The link is the usual... stuff, so it's obvious why I cannot treat seriously any words of this "opinion contributor". So I don't have anything better than to as

by krick 6y ago

The link is the usual... stuff, so it's obvious why I cannot treat seriously any words of this "opinion contributor". So I don't have anything better than to ask HN: for those unaware of the situation, what can be considered the real reason to shut down this newspaper? It seems like unusual thing to do, and considering the circumstances will surely cause some discontent (and, what's more importantly, if I'm not mistaken: discontent of some subset of Trump's supporters), so there must be some important reason to issue such an order. So what is it?

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Balgair 6y ago
It seems to be related to a recent poll of US troops on their preferred presidential candidate. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08... It seems Donny is trying to take out his frustration with lackluster polling on Star and Stripes, despite that not having been the publication that conducted the poll. It is a more widely read US armed forces publication, though. To note on the poll, officers would rather have another Commander in Chief by about a 3-2 margin.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  The Republicans and the Administration are pissed because they ordered the military to break the black lives matters protests and the army told them to get stuffed. So they are throwing a tantrum because they always assumed they'd have the army to back them up and it turns out they don't.
  - Balgair 6y ago
    It's not that I think you are wrong at all, but good Lord, I hope you are.
  - liability 6y ago
    Unless you've got a source for that, I think you're mistaken. The Army wouldn't operate on US soil, that sort of thing would be the job of the National Guard. The Posse Comitatus Act specifically forbids the US Army from doing that sort of thing. If you told me Trump is upset at the National Guard for this reason, I'd believe that. I think I recall reading headlines to that effect.
    - Gibbon1 6y ago
      One half of what you're demanding https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protes... After that was published editor of The New York Times' editorial page James Bennet was forced out. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/media/james-bennet-new-york-times-resigns/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/media/james-bennet-new-york-t...
      - liability 6y ago
        That article does not seem to contain the claim that Trump asked the Army to break up protests, and it's not clear which 'half' you're refering to. As far as I can tell, the claim is simply false.
        nl 6y ago
        These are Trump's words: I am mobilizing all available federal resources, civilian and military, to stop the rioting and looting, to end the destruction and arson and to protect the rights of law-abiding Americans, including your Second Amendment rights The piece continues: "He said he was already dispatching "thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel and law enforcement officers" to Washington to stop the violence that has been a feature of the protests here." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-considering-move-invoke-insurrection-act-n1221326 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-consideri... Later the Army realized he couldn't do that: Hundreds of combat soldiers with the 82nd Airborne were ordered to leave Washington, D.C, Thursday after retired generals and the nation's top officer rebuked Donald Trump over his use of the military. Members of the elite unit had been deployed to the nation's capital to back up National Guard soldiers ordered onto the streets by Attorney General Bill Barr in a show of force. ... While the capital is under federal control, the removal of hundreds of combat troops was a highly-visible sign that Trump had been forced into retreat on his threat to deploy soldiers under his control in protest-hit cities. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389743/Generals-WIN-battle-Donald-Trump-82nd-Airborne-soldiers-REMOVED-D-C.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389743/Generals-WI... I chose the Daily Mail reporting because no one could accuse it of being a left wing mouthpiece. There are plenty of other sources if you google If you prefer, you could take Trump's former Defense Secretary James Mattis' comments on the use of troops in Washington DC: Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-m... I'd further note that Trump has recently been talking publicaly about using the Insurrection Act to enable him to call out troops, again.

by krick 6y ago

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Balgair 6y ago

It seems to be related to a recent poll of US troops on their preferred presidential candidate. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08... It seems Donny is trying to take out his frustration with lackluster polling on Star and Stripes, despite that not having been the publication that conducted the poll. It is a more widely read US armed forces publication, though. To note on the poll, officers would rather have another Commander in Chief by about a 3-2 margin.

Gibbon1 6y ago
The Republicans and the Administration are pissed because they ordered the military to break the black lives matters protests and the army told them to get stuffed. So they are throwing a tantrum because they always assumed they'd have the army to back them up and it turns out they don't.
- Balgair 6y ago
  It's not that I think you are wrong at all, but good Lord, I hope you are.
- liability 6y ago
  Unless you've got a source for that, I think you're mistaken. The Army wouldn't operate on US soil, that sort of thing would be the job of the National Guard. The Posse Comitatus Act specifically forbids the US Army from doing that sort of thing. If you told me Trump is upset at the National Guard for this reason, I'd believe that. I think I recall reading headlines to that effect.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    One half of what you're demanding https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protes... After that was published editor of The New York Times' editorial page James Bennet was forced out. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/media/james-bennet-new-york-times-resigns/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/media/james-bennet-new-york-t...
    - liability 6y ago
      That article does not seem to contain the claim that Trump asked the Army to break up protests, and it's not clear which 'half' you're refering to. As far as I can tell, the claim is simply false.
      - nl 6y ago
        These are Trump's words: I am mobilizing all available federal resources, civilian and military, to stop the rioting and looting, to end the destruction and arson and to protect the rights of law-abiding Americans, including your Second Amendment rights The piece continues: "He said he was already dispatching "thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel and law enforcement officers" to Washington to stop the violence that has been a feature of the protests here." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-considering-move-invoke-insurrection-act-n1221326 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-consideri... Later the Army realized he couldn't do that: Hundreds of combat soldiers with the 82nd Airborne were ordered to leave Washington, D.C, Thursday after retired generals and the nation's top officer rebuked Donald Trump over his use of the military. Members of the elite unit had been deployed to the nation's capital to back up National Guard soldiers ordered onto the streets by Attorney General Bill Barr in a show of force. ... While the capital is under federal control, the removal of hundreds of combat troops was a highly-visible sign that Trump had been forced into retreat on his threat to deploy soldiers under his control in protest-hit cities. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389743/Generals-WIN-battle-Donald-Trump-82nd-Airborne-soldiers-REMOVED-D-C.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389743/Generals-WI... I chose the Daily Mail reporting because no one could accuse it of being a left wing mouthpiece. There are plenty of other sources if you google If you prefer, you could take Trump's former Defense Secretary James Mattis' comments on the use of troops in Washington DC: Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-m... I'd further note that Trump has recently been talking publicaly about using the Insurrection Act to enable him to call out troops, again.