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Presumably not, because "I don't have, never had, and will never have a Facebook account" covers all things which need a Facebook account, which you know those

Presumably not, because "I don't have, never had, and will never have a Facebook account" covers all things which need a Facebook account, which you know those things do or you wouldn't be mentioning them trying to "gotcha". And if you know it, someone who opposes Facebook that strongly surely also knows it.

oauea 6y ago
WhatsApp doesn't actually require a facebook account, just a phone number. Or at least it used to be that way? Personally I (unfortunately) do use WhatsApp while avoiding all other Facebook products. At least WhatsApp doesn't try to manipulate you and has some form of e2e encryption.
- Kliment 6y ago
  It does try to manipulate you. It has dark patterns such as nagging for phonebook access, and if you grant and then revoke such access, it hides all your contact names (showing number only) until you re-enable phonebook access. They also store your phonebook contents remotely so they can nag non-users to join and reveal you have become a user to anyone in your phonebook. It's not facebook-level or linkedin-level evil but it's definitely manipulative and nasty. The safe way to use it is on a separate device with no contacts.
sneak 6y ago
No “gotcha”: Both of those things have separate user databases, and can be used without Facebook. Many people who vehemently renounce FB accounts use one or both of them, myself included. I recently deleted my IG (February) due to censorship issues, but still have a WhatsApp account on a burner device for talking to the few people I haven’t been able to get to switch to Signal.
- jodrellblank 6y ago
  What is the point in vehemently renouncing a Facebook account, but not renouncing giving your data, contact details, phone number, call history, data stream, to Facebook through WhatsApp? It isn't the username and password which is the objectionable thing about Facebook.
  - sneak 6y ago
    You can use WhatsApp without uploading an address book.
    - jodrellblank 6y ago
      They can tell your contacts by seeing who you contact, and when you contact them, how often, how quickly they respond, how long the connection goes on, whether it's a lot or little data, voice or text, large or small data. They probably get a better view of your actual contacts than your address book ever has, they're just missing "dentist near my old home" and "aunt I never talk to".

oauea 6y ago

WhatsApp doesn't actually require a facebook account, just a phone number. Or at least it used to be that way? Personally I (unfortunately) do use WhatsApp while avoiding all other Facebook products. At least WhatsApp doesn't try to manipulate you and has some form of e2e encryption.

Kliment 6y ago
It does try to manipulate you. It has dark patterns such as nagging for phonebook access, and if you grant and then revoke such access, it hides all your contact names (showing number only) until you re-enable phonebook access. They also store your phonebook contents remotely so they can nag non-users to join and reveal you have become a user to anyone in your phonebook. It's not facebook-level or linkedin-level evil but it's definitely manipulative and nasty. The safe way to use it is on a separate device with no contacts.

sneak 6y ago

No “gotcha”: Both of those things have separate user databases, and can be used without Facebook. Many people who vehemently renounce FB accounts use one or both of them, myself included. I recently deleted my IG (February) due to censorship issues, but still have a WhatsApp account on a burner device for talking to the few people I haven’t been able to get to switch to Signal.

jodrellblank 6y ago
What is the point in vehemently renouncing a Facebook account, but not renouncing giving your data, contact details, phone number, call history, data stream, to Facebook through WhatsApp? It isn't the username and password which is the objectionable thing about Facebook.
- sneak 6y ago
  You can use WhatsApp without uploading an address book.
  - jodrellblank 6y ago
    They can tell your contacts by seeing who you contact, and when you contact them, how often, how quickly they respond, how long the connection goes on, whether it's a lot or little data, voice or text, large or small data. They probably get a better view of your actual contacts than your address book ever has, they're just missing "dentist near my old home" and "aunt I never talk to".