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By the standard you set, nothing is a "viral world movement." Any example you give (including ISIS, which is the context) can be dismissed as not global enough

By the standard you set, nothing is a "viral world movement." Any example you give (including ISIS, which is the context) can be dismissed as not global enough to be a "viral world movement" or too factitious to be considered a movement at all, like the French revolution. That's what the "no true scotsman" rhetorical fallacy is. Since "viral world movement" is somewhat broad and imprecisely defined, you can always say that any example is not a true scotsman no matter how scottish she is. The idea that French republicanism (or republicanism generally) was not political movement silly.

watwut 6y ago
The history is simply not full of "viral world movements" and my argument is that internet is necessary if that is your goal. When world viral ends up being local local cult that grows slowly locally and at some point reaches strength locally just to die quickly, then it is neither viral nor global. > Any example you give (including ISIS, which is the context) can be dismissed as not global enough to be a "viral world movement" or too factitious to be considered a movement at all, like the French revolution. But French revolution was significantly more factitious then pretty much anything else. It was absurdly complicated set of widely different groups fighting for very much different goals. Literally ranging from right to radical left, from those for monarchy through those for democracy through whatever dictatorship. It was not one movement at all, it is more of what happens when state fails and everyone rushes for a gun. ISIS is one movement, its fractions are centered around common ideology with smaller differences. ISIS is not leading war against other branch with different name that is still ISIS. And while ISIS is not super global, it did managed to recruit from western countries. ISIS would not been as successful without internet and used internet extensively.
- dalbasal 6y ago
  Don't be silly.
- onion2k 6y ago
  my argument is that internet is necessary if that is your goal Only 60% or so of the world's population have access to the Internet.[1] And that's using a definition of "Internet user" as "used the Internet in the past 3 months" which isnt really conducive to a global viral movement. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/internet https://ourworldindata.org/internet

watwut 6y ago

The history is simply not full of "viral world movements" and my argument is that internet is necessary if that is your goal. When world viral ends up being local local cult that grows slowly locally and at some point reaches strength locally just to die quickly, then it is neither viral nor global. > Any example you give (including ISIS, which is the context) can be dismissed as not global enough to be a "viral world movement" or too factitious to be considered a movement at all, like the French revolution. But French revolution was significantly more factitious then pretty much anything else. It was absurdly complicated set of widely different groups fighting for very much different goals. Literally ranging from right to radical left, from those for monarchy through those for democracy through whatever dictatorship. It was not one movement at all, it is more of what happens when state fails and everyone rushes for a gun. ISIS is one movement, its fractions are centered around common ideology with smaller differences. ISIS is not leading war against other branch with different name that is still ISIS. And while ISIS is not super global, it did managed to recruit from western countries. ISIS would not been as successful without internet and used internet extensively.

dalbasal 6y ago
Don't be silly.
onion2k 6y ago
my argument is that internet is necessary if that is your goal Only 60% or so of the world's population have access to the Internet.[1] And that's using a definition of "Internet user" as "used the Internet in the past 3 months" which isnt really conducive to a global viral movement. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/internet https://ourworldindata.org/internet