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I clicked on a few and they all turned out to be tutorials for beginners. I would use it if it had a filter for "How long have you been programming:" [ ] Neve

by mg 6y ago

I clicked on a few and they all turned out to be tutorials for beginners. I would use it if it had a filter for "How long have you been programming:" [ ] Never [ ] 1 Year [ ] 3 Years [ ] Over 10 years Then I would tick the "Over 10 years" option and hope to find channels that update me on the latest developments. While somebody else would select the "Never" option and will find beginner tutorials.

raxor53 6y ago
Completely agree. I watch various programming/software videos on YouTube, but afterwards my recommendations is filled with "Intro to JS".
DarthGhandi 6y ago
Is that not just conferences in your fields? I download plenty of the major ones and end up with way more than I can ever hope to watch.
- kilroy123 6y ago
  I've found the only YouTube videos I watch about programming or hacking are exactly just that. Videos recorded from a conference.
gonzo41 6y ago
But if you've been programming for over ten years doesn't looking at say, javascript. make you feel like you've been programming for never. I totally understand that it's all been done. And you've probably done it all as well. But things really do move fast out there. Even if it's in silly circles.
- Swizec 6y ago
  No. If you really understand what you’re doing, which after 10 years you should, picking up a new framework or library is quick. You might not be writing the most idiomatic code after 3 days, but you’ll do fine. If however you have 1 year of experience 10 times, then yes it’s an almost insurmountable challenge.
- throwawayffffas 6y ago
  After programming for 10 years, nothing really makes you feel you haven't programmed before. I have found that even looking into entirely different programming paradigms, beginner material does not resonate with me, essentially what i would want when approaching something entirely new would be X for Y programmers.
  - foxdev 6y ago
    This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it has brief cheat sheet type treatments for many languages. It assumes you know the common programming language features, but want to know how they're done in a particular language. https://learnxinyminutes.com/ https://learnxinyminutes.com/
- runbyfruity 6y ago
  Not particularly. JavaScript still runs on computers, and the broad concepts are transferrable. Like, I don't need to know how loops work, but an intro video will probably talk about that. Or even something more complicated like promises. If you've done concurrent programming before, you won't be surprised. After a certain point, truly, all that's old is new again. All that changes is the syntax. Monads are hard, though. ;)
Swizec 6y ago
As an online educator, this is the nut I’m trying to crack. Beginner stuff doesn’t interest me and advanced stuff is often so specialized you can’t really teach it. And selling to intermediate engineers is crazy hard it turns out. Everyone thinks they can figure it out on their own and doesn’t want to be taught. Or works in areas so specialized only their teammates can help. And you’re always fighting against a sea of $10 Udemy courses and free resources. That said, I think it’s a crackable nut. It’s just a longer slog than beginner stuff.
- csa 6y ago
  Check out Hartl’s rails tutorial for an outline on how to monetize project-based content. His stuff is oriented towards beginners, but I could imagine a more intermediate or even advanced type of course working well. https://www.railstutorial.org/ https://www.railstutorial.org/
- sokoloff 6y ago
  I very much want to be taught and can afford to pay a reasonable amount of money, provided my time is used efficiently. I’m not rich, but I’ve got a lot more money than time to invest. I’m getting my money’s worth if you efficiently teach me (the critical elements of) a topic for $250 in 5 hours. The market seems to prefer to pay $11 for 25-40 hours of content. (And I admit to having bought hundreds of dollars of Udemy courses that I’ve never even watched, so in some way I’ve contributed to the problem. Rather than bookmark a course, I’ll often just buy it.)
  - Swizec 6y ago
    Yep you’re the sweet spot for me. Exactly what I target :) The part that makes me sad are complainers who buy a $200 course then ask for a refund because they blazed through it in an afternoon and feel like $200 should be at least 3 weeks of content.
    - AlchemistCamp 6y ago
      How many hours of video are in such a course of yours? Since I sell a subscription service, I've mostly studied others doing the same, but I've bought a few courses from very successful creators. Adam Wathan, for example, sells a 4 hour course for $150 a 22 hour course for $250. He's later said in interviews that he regretted making it such a giant course. If I were to sell a one-off course, it would probably be at least somewhat grounded by those values since it's what the market has already set.
Someone1234 6y ago
This is also a problem with paid educational content e.g. Pluralsight. You want 101 tier material? They have it in droves, for every language/framework/concept. You want high level system design/architecture? Team management training? Project scheduling/estimation? Or other software engineering topics: Good luck with that. I mean, I get it, you're selling shovels to gold miners. But at some scale, it must make sense to target smaller niches.
- znpy 6y ago
  In my opinion, at that kind of level it's more efficient to invest in books and/or in person training/mentoring, if available.
  - Someone1234 6y ago
    If it can be put into a book, it can be put into a presentation. "More efficient" is in the eye of the beholder, different people learn in different ways (see Audio Book Vs. Book Vs. eBook for another example, an Audio Book is less "efficient" too). Personal training/mentoring isn't really even in this sphere in terms of cost/opportunity/availability. If it is free & high quality at work, great, but then you wouldn't care what YT/Pluralsight/et al has to offer.
    - azangru 6y ago
      > If it can be put into a book, it can be put into a presentation. Would it be fair to say that there're actually a lot of videos on such more advanced topics, but they typically are recordings of talks from various conferences?
- azangru 6y ago
  Uncle Bob's cleancoders.com for some of those perhaps?
robjan 6y ago
When the list is this big there almost might as well not be a list. Some level of curation is required to make it more useful.
azangru 6y ago
That was my initial thought as well, but then I realised that some resources wouldn't fit into this simple categorizaiton. Take the Google Chrome Developers channel as an example. Most of the content creators there are fantastic, experienced, and smart developers. But then, they may discuss some fundamental issues such as browser apis or web components that are equally valuable both for novices and for experienced developers. I remember one video by the http203 crew about for-loops. I mean, for-loops! who doesn't know those! And yet, that video, as it progressed, got into deeper and deeper crannies of for-loops that I had never considered. I may not remember much from the video, but I do remember that I was very pleasantly surprised when watching it. I don't know whether there are many other resources like that in that list.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  Link to that video: https://youtu.be/Nzokr6Boeaw https://youtu.be/Nzokr6Boeaw

by mg 6y ago

raxor53 6y ago

Completely agree. I watch various programming/software videos on YouTube, but afterwards my recommendations is filled with "Intro to JS".

DarthGhandi 6y ago

Is that not just conferences in your fields? I download plenty of the major ones and end up with way more than I can ever hope to watch.

kilroy123 6y ago
I've found the only YouTube videos I watch about programming or hacking are exactly just that. Videos recorded from a conference.

gonzo41 6y ago

But if you've been programming for over ten years doesn't looking at say, javascript. make you feel like you've been programming for never. I totally understand that it's all been done. And you've probably done it all as well. But things really do move fast out there. Even if it's in silly circles.

Swizec 6y ago
No. If you really understand what you’re doing, which after 10 years you should, picking up a new framework or library is quick. You might not be writing the most idiomatic code after 3 days, but you’ll do fine. If however you have 1 year of experience 10 times, then yes it’s an almost insurmountable challenge.
throwawayffffas 6y ago
After programming for 10 years, nothing really makes you feel you haven't programmed before. I have found that even looking into entirely different programming paradigms, beginner material does not resonate with me, essentially what i would want when approaching something entirely new would be X for Y programmers.
- foxdev 6y ago
  This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it has brief cheat sheet type treatments for many languages. It assumes you know the common programming language features, but want to know how they're done in a particular language. https://learnxinyminutes.com/ https://learnxinyminutes.com/
runbyfruity 6y ago
Not particularly. JavaScript still runs on computers, and the broad concepts are transferrable. Like, I don't need to know how loops work, but an intro video will probably talk about that. Or even something more complicated like promises. If you've done concurrent programming before, you won't be surprised. After a certain point, truly, all that's old is new again. All that changes is the syntax. Monads are hard, though. ;)

Swizec 6y ago

As an online educator, this is the nut I’m trying to crack. Beginner stuff doesn’t interest me and advanced stuff is often so specialized you can’t really teach it. And selling to intermediate engineers is crazy hard it turns out. Everyone thinks they can figure it out on their own and doesn’t want to be taught. Or works in areas so specialized only their teammates can help. And you’re always fighting against a sea of $10 Udemy courses and free resources. That said, I think it’s a crackable nut. It’s just a longer slog than beginner stuff.

csa 6y ago
Check out Hartl’s rails tutorial for an outline on how to monetize project-based content. His stuff is oriented towards beginners, but I could imagine a more intermediate or even advanced type of course working well. https://www.railstutorial.org/ https://www.railstutorial.org/
sokoloff 6y ago
I very much want to be taught and can afford to pay a reasonable amount of money, provided my time is used efficiently. I’m not rich, but I’ve got a lot more money than time to invest. I’m getting my money’s worth if you efficiently teach me (the critical elements of) a topic for $250 in 5 hours. The market seems to prefer to pay $11 for 25-40 hours of content. (And I admit to having bought hundreds of dollars of Udemy courses that I’ve never even watched, so in some way I’ve contributed to the problem. Rather than bookmark a course, I’ll often just buy it.)
- Swizec 6y ago
  Yep you’re the sweet spot for me. Exactly what I target :) The part that makes me sad are complainers who buy a $200 course then ask for a refund because they blazed through it in an afternoon and feel like $200 should be at least 3 weeks of content.
  - AlchemistCamp 6y ago
    How many hours of video are in such a course of yours? Since I sell a subscription service, I've mostly studied others doing the same, but I've bought a few courses from very successful creators. Adam Wathan, for example, sells a 4 hour course for $150 a 22 hour course for $250. He's later said in interviews that he regretted making it such a giant course. If I were to sell a one-off course, it would probably be at least somewhat grounded by those values since it's what the market has already set.

Someone1234 6y ago

This is also a problem with paid educational content e.g. Pluralsight. You want 101 tier material? They have it in droves, for every language/framework/concept. You want high level system design/architecture? Team management training? Project scheduling/estimation? Or other software engineering topics: Good luck with that. I mean, I get it, you're selling shovels to gold miners. But at some scale, it must make sense to target smaller niches.

znpy 6y ago
In my opinion, at that kind of level it's more efficient to invest in books and/or in person training/mentoring, if available.
- Someone1234 6y ago
  If it can be put into a book, it can be put into a presentation. "More efficient" is in the eye of the beholder, different people learn in different ways (see Audio Book Vs. Book Vs. eBook for another example, an Audio Book is less "efficient" too). Personal training/mentoring isn't really even in this sphere in terms of cost/opportunity/availability. If it is free & high quality at work, great, but then you wouldn't care what YT/Pluralsight/et al has to offer.
  - azangru 6y ago
    > If it can be put into a book, it can be put into a presentation. Would it be fair to say that there're actually a lot of videos on such more advanced topics, but they typically are recordings of talks from various conferences?
azangru 6y ago
Uncle Bob's cleancoders.com for some of those perhaps?

robjan 6y ago

When the list is this big there almost might as well not be a list. Some level of curation is required to make it more useful.

azangru 6y ago

That was my initial thought as well, but then I realised that some resources wouldn't fit into this simple categorizaiton. Take the Google Chrome Developers channel as an example. Most of the content creators there are fantastic, experienced, and smart developers. But then, they may discuss some fundamental issues such as browser apis or web components that are equally valuable both for novices and for experienced developers. I remember one video by the http203 crew about for-loops. I mean, for-loops! who doesn't know those! And yet, that video, as it progressed, got into deeper and deeper crannies of for-loops that I had never considered. I may not remember much from the video, but I do remember that I was very pleasantly surprised when watching it. I don't know whether there are many other resources like that in that list.

sokoloff 6y ago
Link to that video: https://youtu.be/Nzokr6Boeaw https://youtu.be/Nzokr6Boeaw