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Unfortunately this site has received the hug of death however anyone that finds such a headline interesting may also find this interesting: "Industrial Society

Unfortunately this site has received the hug of death however anyone that finds such a headline interesting may also find this interesting: "Industrial Society and Its Future" https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unab... An excerpt from the introduction: > The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries.

nottorp 6y ago
Do you think the starving medieval peasant had time to worry about "psychological suffering"?
- waynenilsen 6y ago
  I think you would be very interested in the rest of the document. That is very similar to the point that the author makes throughout. He suggests that spending more time on fulfilling our primitive needs of food water and shelter would result in a much more satisfying lifestyle and much higher quality of life.
  - nottorp 6y ago
    Oh possibly, but it sounds too much like "keep the plebs busy so they don't have time to develop independent thinking".
    - AlgorithmicTime 6y ago
      That's pretty far from what he's suggesting.
  - 0134340 6y ago
    Sure but it's a degenerate ideology. We can all base our lives on what feels good or what's satisfying but primitive lifestyles aren't going to save man from a dying planet. Kazynski was a degenerate, if you use TFA's definition, so trapped into his own local mindset he couldn't see the wrongs when in context of the global.
eli_gottlieb 6y ago
Ah yes, once we get rid of modern technology, I can die of bronchitis five times before age ten (that almost happened), and then be murdered after the next outbreak of Black Plague for using the blood of Christian children to bake my bread (yes, many people actually died because of the Blood Libel). The Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution and their consequences are the only reason I'm not dead several times over, and the only reason I can walk down the street in the place I live today in any kind of safety, so no, I'm really not buying that they were a disaster for the human race.
- waynenilsen 6y ago
  > The Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution and their consequences are the only reason I'm not dead several times over, and the only reason I can walk down the street in the place I live today in any kind of safety, so no, I'm really not buying that they were a disaster for the human race. I completely agree! I do find however that if you read the author's arguments they are not entirely baseless and in many cases are quite relevant to the isolated work from home environment that we face today. The problems offered by the author are well known and interesting however his solutions I disagree with
woopwoop 6y ago
Note that the author of the linked piece killed and maimed a bunch of innocent people in order to blackmail major newspapers into printing it. In my opinion, out of respect for these victims and a desire to discourage such behavior, you should NOT read this piece, and instead wait to read Murray's piece (or Douthat's book). Say what you will about Charles Murray, but he's never put any explosive devices in the mail.
C1sc0cat 6y ago
Ah the good old days where 25% of children died before 5

nottorp 6y ago

Do you think the starving medieval peasant had time to worry about "psychological suffering"?

waynenilsen 6y ago
I think you would be very interested in the rest of the document. That is very similar to the point that the author makes throughout. He suggests that spending more time on fulfilling our primitive needs of food water and shelter would result in a much more satisfying lifestyle and much higher quality of life.
- nottorp 6y ago
  Oh possibly, but it sounds too much like "keep the plebs busy so they don't have time to develop independent thinking".
  - AlgorithmicTime 6y ago
    That's pretty far from what he's suggesting.
- 0134340 6y ago
  Sure but it's a degenerate ideology. We can all base our lives on what feels good or what's satisfying but primitive lifestyles aren't going to save man from a dying planet. Kazynski was a degenerate, if you use TFA's definition, so trapped into his own local mindset he couldn't see the wrongs when in context of the global.

eli_gottlieb 6y ago

Ah yes, once we get rid of modern technology, I can die of bronchitis five times before age ten (that almost happened), and then be murdered after the next outbreak of Black Plague for using the blood of Christian children to bake my bread (yes, many people actually died because of the Blood Libel). The Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution and their consequences are the only reason I'm not dead several times over, and the only reason I can walk down the street in the place I live today in any kind of safety, so no, I'm really not buying that they were a disaster for the human race.

waynenilsen 6y ago
> The Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution and their consequences are the only reason I'm not dead several times over, and the only reason I can walk down the street in the place I live today in any kind of safety, so no, I'm really not buying that they were a disaster for the human race. I completely agree! I do find however that if you read the author's arguments they are not entirely baseless and in many cases are quite relevant to the isolated work from home environment that we face today. The problems offered by the author are well known and interesting however his solutions I disagree with

woopwoop 6y ago

Note that the author of the linked piece killed and maimed a bunch of innocent people in order to blackmail major newspapers into printing it. In my opinion, out of respect for these victims and a desire to discourage such behavior, you should NOT read this piece, and instead wait to read Murray's piece (or Douthat's book). Say what you will about Charles Murray, but he's never put any explosive devices in the mail.

C1sc0cat 6y ago

Ah the good old days where 25% of children died before 5