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Here's the link to the study: https://www.mediareform.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Labour-antisemitism-and-the-news-FINAL-CORRECTED.pdf https://www.mediare

by k1m 6y ago

Here's the link to the study: https://www.mediareform.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Labour-antisemitism-and-the-news-FINAL-CORRECTED.pdf https://www.mediareform.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/La... Criticism they can ignore (as they often do) I'm sure doesn't bother them. But the widespread resentment toward the Guardian does bother them. It was apparent from their writers' responses when #BoycottTheGuardian was trending on Twitter for example, or more recently when they announced big job cuts and their writers pleas for support were mostly met with derision.

jimnotgym 6y ago
I think it is easy to feel things are more widespread than they are when guaged from social media. Eg.I was very critical of Corbyn's stance on Brexit, and having a few followers I captured the attention of the Corbynite WhatsApp group run by Seamus Milne's team, and was heavily trolled...Rachel Swindon et al... and I block trolls, so fell out of the Corbynite bubble. The result of this is I have not seen widespread outrage against the Guardian at all. Perhaps widespread in revolutionary socialist circles is a more correct assertion.
- fault_lines 6y ago
  > I captured the attention of the Corbynite WhatsApp group run by Seamus Milne's team, and was heavily trolled...Rachel Swindon et al... This is a conspiracy theory with no basis in fact.
  - jimnotgym 6y ago
    Except for the direct quotes from her. "“I do get advice from them,” she said. “But that’s the end of that.” She eventually explained that there are several private Twitter DM groups where discussion goes on “all day”, with new pro-Corbyn lines posted alongside anti-Tory memes — which are often taken and repurposed from Facebook groups. Asked whether Labour officials were in the groups speaking to the pro-Corbyn accounts, she said “Maybe”, smiling." https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/heres-the-woman-behind-britains-most-divisive-twitter https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/heres-the-woman-behin... It was tangential to my point, but Corbynite trolls were just as nasty and just as organized as the right wingers. Everyone not for Corbyn was neoliberal scum, or a 'yellow Tory'. In the end this only serves to shut down real debate and polarise each bubble.
    - fault_lines 6y ago
      Your implication was that Seamus Milne, or his team, command a sort of "troll army" through WhatsApp. This is substantially different to disseminating talking points to friendly media faces (which is something all parties do, and is normal in political campaigning). When you got trolled, it wasn't because of a secret WhatsApp group conspiring against you. It was because you said something that a large number of left wing people disagreed with, and Twitter worked the way it usually works and encouraged an organic pile-on. I can assure you that the UK left-wing network on Twitter has no need to get marching orders from a mythical WhatsApp group. If somebody says something that the left disagrees with, pile-ons will happen naturally. Ironically, by dismissing people who disagree with you as commanded by Seumas Milne, you are shutting down debate yourself.
      - jimnotgym 6y ago
        Disseminating talking points to friendly faces... Nice euphemism.

by k1m 6y ago

jimnotgym 6y ago

I think it is easy to feel things are more widespread than they are when guaged from social media. Eg.I was very critical of Corbyn's stance on Brexit, and having a few followers I captured the attention of the Corbynite WhatsApp group run by Seamus Milne's team, and was heavily trolled...Rachel Swindon et al... and I block trolls, so fell out of the Corbynite bubble. The result of this is I have not seen widespread outrage against the Guardian at all. Perhaps widespread in revolutionary socialist circles is a more correct assertion.

fault_lines 6y ago
> I captured the attention of the Corbynite WhatsApp group run by Seamus Milne's team, and was heavily trolled...Rachel Swindon et al... This is a conspiracy theory with no basis in fact.
- jimnotgym 6y ago
  Except for the direct quotes from her. "“I do get advice from them,” she said. “But that’s the end of that.” She eventually explained that there are several private Twitter DM groups where discussion goes on “all day”, with new pro-Corbyn lines posted alongside anti-Tory memes — which are often taken and repurposed from Facebook groups. Asked whether Labour officials were in the groups speaking to the pro-Corbyn accounts, she said “Maybe”, smiling." https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/heres-the-woman-behind-britains-most-divisive-twitter https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/heres-the-woman-behin... It was tangential to my point, but Corbynite trolls were just as nasty and just as organized as the right wingers. Everyone not for Corbyn was neoliberal scum, or a 'yellow Tory'. In the end this only serves to shut down real debate and polarise each bubble.
  - fault_lines 6y ago
    Your implication was that Seamus Milne, or his team, command a sort of "troll army" through WhatsApp. This is substantially different to disseminating talking points to friendly media faces (which is something all parties do, and is normal in political campaigning). When you got trolled, it wasn't because of a secret WhatsApp group conspiring against you. It was because you said something that a large number of left wing people disagreed with, and Twitter worked the way it usually works and encouraged an organic pile-on. I can assure you that the UK left-wing network on Twitter has no need to get marching orders from a mythical WhatsApp group. If somebody says something that the left disagrees with, pile-ons will happen naturally. Ironically, by dismissing people who disagree with you as commanded by Seumas Milne, you are shutting down debate yourself.
    - jimnotgym 6y ago
      Disseminating talking points to friendly faces... Nice euphemism.