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>protect home grown e-tailers Protection for them has been around when the previous government was there too. FDI norms were eased only in the fag end of 2012.

>protect home grown e-tailers Protection for them has been around when the previous government was there too. FDI norms were eased only in the fag end of 2012. Additionally, I agree with protecting home grown e-tailers. Now, perhaps the rules favor Ambani, but breaking up large conglomerates is a different problem. From the perspective of enacting sound laws and regulation, restricting outside e-tailers and promoting home grown ones is always good, atleast until India is a lot more developed. > Due to stuoid red tape, Tesla took Gigafactory plans to China. And thereby ending up supporting an authoritarian regime that mocks human rights, and is actively participating in genocide. Tesla went to China for cheap labor. Do you think ill-treatment of workers in Chinese factories will be reported by "Independent media" in China? >anyone can start a startup in India. They can take Amazon AWS servers and domain from Godaddy and there won't be an issue I don't get it. Yes, anyone can actually make a startup in India, they can hire AWS servers, get domains from GoDaddy and there wont be an issue. I know because I did the same. >anyone can apply for a business license and start a manufacturing plant Technically true, but it's still difficult. Even in countries like US, you have to grease a few hands to get things done. Sure, it may be the hands of a Senator, but still you have to do it. I would say the exception is Silicon Valley, but examples like those are few and far between. Even SV spends a lot for lobbying. >You blisfully and maliciously ignore that the entire govt machinery has been working overtime to favour Ambani Adani. Far fetched. >Yeah and there can be many businesses which you can set up. Sure, all you ought to do is as for a license. Sure, govt won't twist rules to favour JioBattery and JioElectricCar Can you run a business in your country without a license from the govt? Govt. may twist rules, but the rules currently placed are not twisted. I never said they cannot be twisted in the future.

implements 6y ago
> Can you run a business in your country without a license from the govt? As far as I know, businesses don’t require general licences to operate in the United Kingdom. Licences for certain activities that have an environmental impact may be necessary (significant use of water, potential pollution of air / ground / water, dangerous material handling).
- kumarvvr 6y ago
  That is the same case in India. My brother runs a mon-n-pop store, selling stationery items. Getting a business license took 1 day, one application and renewed every year online. Cost is about 10 USD per year. I know many in my neighborhood that don't even have that. Majority of the retailers have a simple license, usually obtained very quickly from local municipal corporation. I can start a company for consulting, trade, retail, etc, with the help of a legal counsel and a bit of paperwork in about a couple of weeks.
  - thewhitetulip 6y ago
    Dude, couple of weeks?? Please help the guy who wrote this article set his business up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24106545 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24106545 It took him months and he is still waiting for the numerous licenses and approvals and signatures to get around the red tape I love how you casually slip in fake propaganda without sounding like a blatant IT cell account
    - newyankee 6y ago
      It really depends on a couple of factors: Nature of business, location, regional Govt etc. Corruption at lowest level is the most difficult to remove though because the cabal of Babus have it in their interests to make things as difficult as possible. Your tone is not in keeping up with HN etiquette.
      - thewhitetulip 6y ago
        Well, if ease of doing business was so improved under Modi govt like the propaganda accounts pretend online, why is it taking that guy months to setup his manufacturing facility? Isn't "make in India" rebranded to "local vocal" and " self reliance" the new rebranded cliches which the current government and their workers throw at others? If the guy really knows how to set up businesses in weeks then let him start a company helping others set up businesses I know for a fact that unless you pay bribes or you're connected politically, it's very difficult to start a business in India.
thewhitetulip 6y ago
So I was right about your malicious intent. You cherry picked 3 lines and twisted their meaning to suit your narrative. Anything that didn't suit your malicious intent gets ignored totally while your try to divert attention. > Protection for them has been around when the previous government was there too. FDI norms were eased only in the fag end of 2012. And yet you totally neglect that when flipkart begged for speific ecommerce protection none was provided Only when Ambani reacted to launch JioMart was the protection avoided Also I love how to totally ignored the fact that Jio abused and how the entire govt machinery has favoured Jio Also how Jio abused and flouted ALL regulatory things and gave free data calls for over one year when the law explicitly forbids it. I also love how you ignore that the govt pressurized telcos to pay AGR dues while Jio was let out of the payment cycle > Tesla went to China for cheap labor. Do you think ill-treatment of workers in Chinese factories will be reported by "Independent media" in China? Well, Modi govt put red tape so much that Tesla chose to go to a country which blatantly copies IP and patents. Things are that bad.
- kumarvvr 6y ago
  >Also how Jio abused and flouted ALL regulatory things and gave free data calls for over one year when the law explicitly forbids it. Jio was questioned and it argued that IUC (Interconnect Usage Charges, the minimum charges that are to levied on the user for a voice call on any Indian cellular network, these charges are charges levied by a network for a call that originates in another network but terminates in its network) was relevant to normal mobile calls, and what Jio was providing was essentially data calls, akin to talking on whatsapp, it can give away free calls. It's not like it was not questioned, or it did not explain. Also other operators have opposed the free calls issue because they earn quite a bit of revenue from IUC charges, which are basically a tax on allowing users on one network to call users on another network. So you can make the call, whether Jio actually flouted the rules, or did it make it cheap for everyone to make calls in the market. As an additional point, TRAI, the main Telecom regulating body in India, has slashed the IUC charges by half in 2018 and is set to be completely removed by December 2020 > I also love how you ignore that the govt pressurized telcos to pay AGR dues while Jio was let out of the payment cycle AGR dues are just that, dues. Money the companies were supposed to pay, but did not and accumulated the dues. Jio was a new entrant and has significantly lesser dues (195 crores), compared to other players (Airtel, which has been in the market for decades, owes about 44000 crores). All of them were given a time period of 10 years to make staggered payments, payments that they were supposed to pay, but ignored. That is a huge loss for the country. Even in the courts, the companies did not fight about dues, they fought about whether they were responsible for past pending dues on spectrum, that they purchased from other companies. All companies went to court, when they were asked to pay past dues of spectrum purchased by them recently. Essentially they were asked to pay for the dues accrued on the spectrum, they recently purchased from failing companies. >And yet you totally neglect that when flipkart begged for speific ecommerce protection none was provided Flipkart opposed relaxing rules related to FDI norms and asked for specific protections for e-comerce. The rules were relaxed nevertheless. >Only when Ambani reacted to launch JioMart was the protection avoided I guess you meant to say 'provided". I would like to know what specific protections were provided to JioMart? >Well, Modi govt put red tape so much that Tesla chose to go to a country which blatantly copies IP and patents. >Things are that bad. I am curious about this also. As far as I remember, Tesla never showed any interest in building a factory in India. However, what exactly are the "red tape so much" that you are talking about?

implements 6y ago

> Can you run a business in your country without a license from the govt? As far as I know, businesses don’t require general licences to operate in the United Kingdom. Licences for certain activities that have an environmental impact may be necessary (significant use of water, potential pollution of air / ground / water, dangerous material handling).

kumarvvr 6y ago
That is the same case in India. My brother runs a mon-n-pop store, selling stationery items. Getting a business license took 1 day, one application and renewed every year online. Cost is about 10 USD per year. I know many in my neighborhood that don't even have that. Majority of the retailers have a simple license, usually obtained very quickly from local municipal corporation. I can start a company for consulting, trade, retail, etc, with the help of a legal counsel and a bit of paperwork in about a couple of weeks.
- thewhitetulip 6y ago
  Dude, couple of weeks?? Please help the guy who wrote this article set his business up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24106545 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24106545 It took him months and he is still waiting for the numerous licenses and approvals and signatures to get around the red tape I love how you casually slip in fake propaganda without sounding like a blatant IT cell account
  - newyankee 6y ago
    It really depends on a couple of factors: Nature of business, location, regional Govt etc. Corruption at lowest level is the most difficult to remove though because the cabal of Babus have it in their interests to make things as difficult as possible. Your tone is not in keeping up with HN etiquette.
    - thewhitetulip 6y ago
      Well, if ease of doing business was so improved under Modi govt like the propaganda accounts pretend online, why is it taking that guy months to setup his manufacturing facility? Isn't "make in India" rebranded to "local vocal" and " self reliance" the new rebranded cliches which the current government and their workers throw at others? If the guy really knows how to set up businesses in weeks then let him start a company helping others set up businesses I know for a fact that unless you pay bribes or you're connected politically, it's very difficult to start a business in India.

thewhitetulip 6y ago

So I was right about your malicious intent. You cherry picked 3 lines and twisted their meaning to suit your narrative. Anything that didn't suit your malicious intent gets ignored totally while your try to divert attention. > Protection for them has been around when the previous government was there too. FDI norms were eased only in the fag end of 2012. And yet you totally neglect that when flipkart begged for speific ecommerce protection none was provided Only when Ambani reacted to launch JioMart was the protection avoided Also I love how to totally ignored the fact that Jio abused and how the entire govt machinery has favoured Jio Also how Jio abused and flouted ALL regulatory things and gave free data calls for over one year when the law explicitly forbids it. I also love how you ignore that the govt pressurized telcos to pay AGR dues while Jio was let out of the payment cycle > Tesla went to China for cheap labor. Do you think ill-treatment of workers in Chinese factories will be reported by "Independent media" in China? Well, Modi govt put red tape so much that Tesla chose to go to a country which blatantly copies IP and patents. Things are that bad.

kumarvvr 6y ago
>Also how Jio abused and flouted ALL regulatory things and gave free data calls for over one year when the law explicitly forbids it. Jio was questioned and it argued that IUC (Interconnect Usage Charges, the minimum charges that are to levied on the user for a voice call on any Indian cellular network, these charges are charges levied by a network for a call that originates in another network but terminates in its network) was relevant to normal mobile calls, and what Jio was providing was essentially data calls, akin to talking on whatsapp, it can give away free calls. It's not like it was not questioned, or it did not explain. Also other operators have opposed the free calls issue because they earn quite a bit of revenue from IUC charges, which are basically a tax on allowing users on one network to call users on another network. So you can make the call, whether Jio actually flouted the rules, or did it make it cheap for everyone to make calls in the market. As an additional point, TRAI, the main Telecom regulating body in India, has slashed the IUC charges by half in 2018 and is set to be completely removed by December 2020 > I also love how you ignore that the govt pressurized telcos to pay AGR dues while Jio was let out of the payment cycle AGR dues are just that, dues. Money the companies were supposed to pay, but did not and accumulated the dues. Jio was a new entrant and has significantly lesser dues (195 crores), compared to other players (Airtel, which has been in the market for decades, owes about 44000 crores). All of them were given a time period of 10 years to make staggered payments, payments that they were supposed to pay, but ignored. That is a huge loss for the country. Even in the courts, the companies did not fight about dues, they fought about whether they were responsible for past pending dues on spectrum, that they purchased from other companies. All companies went to court, when they were asked to pay past dues of spectrum purchased by them recently. Essentially they were asked to pay for the dues accrued on the spectrum, they recently purchased from failing companies. >And yet you totally neglect that when flipkart begged for speific ecommerce protection none was provided Flipkart opposed relaxing rules related to FDI norms and asked for specific protections for e-comerce. The rules were relaxed nevertheless. >Only when Ambani reacted to launch JioMart was the protection avoided I guess you meant to say 'provided". I would like to know what specific protections were provided to JioMart? >Well, Modi govt put red tape so much that Tesla chose to go to a country which blatantly copies IP and patents. >Things are that bad. I am curious about this also. As far as I remember, Tesla never showed any interest in building a factory in India. However, what exactly are the "red tape so much" that you are talking about?