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There is a very clear line in that you chose that commute. You can find housing near your employer. You have a laundry list of personal reasons why that housing

There is a very clear line in that you chose that commute. You can find housing near your employer. You have a laundry list of personal reasons why that housing is not right for you but the fact remains you chose to have those things and commute instead of living nearby and sacrificing those things. The employer requiring you to do something as a condition of continued employment is clearly, well obviously not, an act that should be compensated for. They could let you leave 15 minutes early to go through security check, they just don’t want to because, apparently, they don’t have to. I have no doubt that you will find a group of people on the other side of the line there who think employers should have to pay for commuting time and obviously this case proves there are people on the other side of this line who think they shouldn’t have to compensate you for going through security time. However I would guess that the majority of people will agree that hardships you impose on yourself are your responsibility while hardships the employer imposes on you should be their responsibility.

JellyBeanThief 6y ago
> You can find housing near your employer. You have a laundry list of personal reasons why that housing is not right for you but the fact remains you chose to have those things and commute instead of living nearby and sacrificing those things. I think this is only reasonable for jobs that 1) offer enough compensation that the worker has real choice about where they live and 2) both worker and employer expect the worker to live and work in the same place for a long time. A lot of people are in situations where, rather than them choosing the housing, it's the landlord choosing the tenant, and the tenant has to take what they can get. At one and the same time, they may also be in a situation where, rather than them choosing the employer, it's the employer choosing the worker, and again, the worker takes what they can get. A long commute is not a self-imposed hardship when other people are the primary determiners of where you can live and work.
- jachee 6y ago
  As much as I love them, there are not a lot of Apple Stores within walking distance of housing their least-paid employees can afford.
6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago
If that’s a clear line, how does zoning work? If there isn’t anything residential within ten minutes, your clear line flips: you cannot choose to live closer, so does everyone get paid an extra 20 minutes per day for the minimum commute? I don’t think it’s such a clear line. It’s even fuzzier with the common situation of nothing remotely affordable within X minutes commute. You can’t choose a $3M home on minimum wage, so the delineation of what is and isn’t forced on you to do this job is very fuzzy.

JellyBeanThief 6y ago

> You can find housing near your employer. You have a laundry list of personal reasons why that housing is not right for you but the fact remains you chose to have those things and commute instead of living nearby and sacrificing those things. I think this is only reasonable for jobs that 1) offer enough compensation that the worker has real choice about where they live and 2) both worker and employer expect the worker to live and work in the same place for a long time. A lot of people are in situations where, rather than them choosing the housing, it's the landlord choosing the tenant, and the tenant has to take what they can get. At one and the same time, they may also be in a situation where, rather than them choosing the employer, it's the employer choosing the worker, and again, the worker takes what they can get. A long commute is not a self-imposed hardship when other people are the primary determiners of where you can live and work.

jachee 6y ago
As much as I love them, there are not a lot of Apple Stores within walking distance of housing their least-paid employees can afford.

6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago

If that’s a clear line, how does zoning work? If there isn’t anything residential within ten minutes, your clear line flips: you cannot choose to live closer, so does everyone get paid an extra 20 minutes per day for the minimum commute? I don’t think it’s such a clear line. It’s even fuzzier with the common situation of nothing remotely affordable within X minutes commute. You can’t choose a $3M home on minimum wage, so the delineation of what is and isn’t forced on you to do this job is very fuzzy.