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Considering that the ruling party is BJP (equivalent to US Republicans), this move will directly help Ambani & Adani. There won't be any tight competition or o

Considering that the ruling party is BJP (equivalent to US Republicans), this move will directly help Ambani & Adani. There won't be any tight competition or open interface, it'll be a monopoly by the two business groups who support him the most.

kumarvvr 6y ago
This statement is ignorant at best. What looks like a sound business decision, one which opens up the market for more competition, you are twisting it as a politically motivated corrupt move. By the logic you are stating, any business or market friendly move by any government will have to be targeted at specific individuals or families. I really want to understand why there will not be any competition or open interface. The car company decides the interface. If a rival chooses to create an open interface, and reap the benefits, market forces will ensure that all manufacturers do the same. Moreover, the number of car manufacturers are limited, but the number of battery companies can expand a lot. Perhaps lead way to investments from overseas. Imagine Tesla being able to open a battery factory in India, and just sell batteries, without worrying about cars and all.
- thewhitetulip 6y ago
  You are either not Indian or you are ignoring everything to suit your narrative. The current government has put on a lot of regulation to "protect home grown e-tailers" when Ambani was planning to launch an Amazon competitor. Flipkart before they sold to Walmart had begged for years to give protection, but none was given, but when JioMart was to be launched, suddenly regulation was changed to benefit local e tailers, major benefactor was JioMart. > Imagine Tesla being able to open a battery factory in India, and just sell batteries, without worrying about cars and all. Hahahahahahahaha Due to stuoid red tape, Tesla took Gigafactory plans to China. 70% thungs were need to be locally sourced for starting Tesla factory in India and obviously we don't have the ecosystem. > By the logic you are stating, any business or market friendly move by any government will have to be targeted at specific individuals or families. Were you living under a rock when Telecom rules were being constantly flouted by Jio? All rules were specifically created to help Jio. The AGR case crippled telecos except Jio. Jio also has AGR but SC put the decision onto the govt for collecting or not. But others are forced to pay regardless if they go under. > The car company decides the interface. If a rival chooses to create an open interface, and reap the benefits, market forces will ensure that all manufacturers do the same. Hahahaha just like "anyone can start a startup in India. They can take Amazon AWS servers and domain from Godaddy and there won't be an issue. Just like "anyone can apply for a business license and start a manufacturing plant" You blisfully and maliciously ignore that the entire govt machinery has been working overtime to favour Ambani Adani. > Moreover, the number of car manufacturers are limited, but the number of battery companies can expand a lot Yeah and there can be many businesses which you can set up. Sure, all you ought to do is as for a license. Sure, govt won't twist rules to favour JioBattery and JioElectricCar
  - kumarvvr 6y ago
    >protect home grown e-tailers Protection for them has been around when the previous government was there too. FDI norms were eased only in the fag end of 2012. Additionally, I agree with protecting home grown e-tailers. Now, perhaps the rules favor Ambani, but breaking up large conglomerates is a different problem. From the perspective of enacting sound laws and regulation, restricting outside e-tailers and promoting home grown ones is always good, atleast until India is a lot more developed. > Due to stuoid red tape, Tesla took Gigafactory plans to China. And thereby ending up supporting an authoritarian regime that mocks human rights, and is actively participating in genocide. Tesla went to China for cheap labor. Do you think ill-treatment of workers in Chinese factories will be reported by "Independent media" in China? >anyone can start a startup in India. They can take Amazon AWS servers and domain from Godaddy and there won't be an issue I don't get it. Yes, anyone can actually make a startup in India, they can hire AWS servers, get domains from GoDaddy and there wont be an issue. I know because I did the same. >anyone can apply for a business license and start a manufacturing plant Technically true, but it's still difficult. Even in countries like US, you have to grease a few hands to get things done. Sure, it may be the hands of a Senator, but still you have to do it. I would say the exception is Silicon Valley, but examples like those are few and far between. Even SV spends a lot for lobbying. >You blisfully and maliciously ignore that the entire govt machinery has been working overtime to favour Ambani Adani. Far fetched. >Yeah and there can be many businesses which you can set up. Sure, all you ought to do is as for a license. Sure, govt won't twist rules to favour JioBattery and JioElectricCar Can you run a business in your country without a license from the govt? Govt. may twist rules, but the rules currently placed are not twisted. I never said they cannot be twisted in the future.
    - implements 6y ago
      > Can you run a business in your country without a license from the govt? As far as I know, businesses don’t require general licences to operate in the United Kingdom. Licences for certain activities that have an environmental impact may be necessary (significant use of water, potential pollution of air / ground / water, dangerous material handling).
ra7 6y ago
> Considering that the ruling party is BJP (equivalent to US Republicans) There are many things wrong with the BJP, but they are not really equivalent to the Republican Party. This is a lazy comparison at best, disingenuous at worst. Their economic, environmental policies and even social issues are completely different than the Republicans.
- thewhitetulip 6y ago
  Since when is equivalent mean exactly same? Your statement is lazy comparison, disingenuous at worst. Economic policies? Oh, do you mean the disasterous butchering of Indian Economy which took it to a 8yr low? Or do you mean the 45yr high unemployment level? Or the pathetic rollout of GST when they kept changing rules everyday or the disasterous demonization which screwed up entire informal sector? Environmental policy? Is this the same policy wherein the BJP is about to remove all protections provided to Environment by law? It would made it very easy for companies to take out a forest? Or are you referring to the million trees cut down under the pretense of "development" Or do you refer to the butchering of part of Arey forest for a metro car shade in Mumbai? Social issues you say? So you mean the blatant attempt of destroying Secular fabric of this nation by bringing CAA NRC? Or do you refer to the police state wherein they arrest everyone who dares oppose them on sedition? Or the arrest-but-no chargesheet-file? Or the malicious rearrests after courts have let the dissenters go?
  - ra7 6y ago
    You are just listing newspaper headline items, I'm not sure how they are relevant when comparing BJP with the Republican Party. Let's actually talk about the policies and contrast. Some of the government schemes announced (and in progress) would make Modi right at home in a Bernie Sanders town hall meeting rather than being similar to the Republicans. Just off the top of my head: * Modi doubled down on Congress' NREGA scheme for providing guaranteed 100 days of pay to rural workers, whether they worked or not. * Introduced direct cash transfers to farmers. * Various farm loan waivers, especially some of the BJP-led state governments. * Announced a free healthcare under National Health Protection scheme. * Free housing, electricity and LPG gas connections for the poor. * Introduced long term capital gains tax in 2019. * Non-opposition to LGBT rights. I say "non-opposition" because they don't champion it like the Democrats, but are neutral since it's not a big ticket item in Indian society or politics. They passed a bill to prohibit discrimination against transgender persons last year (but there is some controversy surrounding it [1]). Again, a big no-no for the Republican Party. * Massive push for renewable energy - India doubled its renewable energy capacity in 3 years and on track to triple it in the following 4 years [2]. 47 GW (45% of all under development) coal projects was cancelled just in 2019 [3]. Good luck trying to get the climate change denying Republicans to do this. BJP's economic polices are as socialist as they come [4]. None of this would fly with the Republicans. That's how they are different - in actual policy positions. [1] - https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/12/04/784398783/india-just-passed-a-trans-rights-bill-why-are-trans-activists-protesting-it https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/12/04/7843987... [2] - https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/energy-speak/new-record-with-renewable-energy-installations-40-times-higher-than-thermal/3421 https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/energy-speak/new... [3] - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/banking/finance/banking/47400-mw-coal-fired-power-projects-were-cancelled-in-india-in-2019-report/articleshow/74831848.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/banking/financ... [4] - https://www.fairobserver.com/region/central_south_asia/india-budget-socialism-narendra-modi-world-news-today-32090/ https://www.fairobserver.com/region/central_south_asia/india...

kumarvvr 6y ago

This statement is ignorant at best. What looks like a sound business decision, one which opens up the market for more competition, you are twisting it as a politically motivated corrupt move. By the logic you are stating, any business or market friendly move by any government will have to be targeted at specific individuals or families. I really want to understand why there will not be any competition or open interface. The car company decides the interface. If a rival chooses to create an open interface, and reap the benefits, market forces will ensure that all manufacturers do the same. Moreover, the number of car manufacturers are limited, but the number of battery companies can expand a lot. Perhaps lead way to investments from overseas. Imagine Tesla being able to open a battery factory in India, and just sell batteries, without worrying about cars and all.

thewhitetulip 6y ago
You are either not Indian or you are ignoring everything to suit your narrative. The current government has put on a lot of regulation to "protect home grown e-tailers" when Ambani was planning to launch an Amazon competitor. Flipkart before they sold to Walmart had begged for years to give protection, but none was given, but when JioMart was to be launched, suddenly regulation was changed to benefit local e tailers, major benefactor was JioMart. > Imagine Tesla being able to open a battery factory in India, and just sell batteries, without worrying about cars and all. Hahahahahahahaha Due to stuoid red tape, Tesla took Gigafactory plans to China. 70% thungs were need to be locally sourced for starting Tesla factory in India and obviously we don't have the ecosystem. > By the logic you are stating, any business or market friendly move by any government will have to be targeted at specific individuals or families. Were you living under a rock when Telecom rules were being constantly flouted by Jio? All rules were specifically created to help Jio. The AGR case crippled telecos except Jio. Jio also has AGR but SC put the decision onto the govt for collecting or not. But others are forced to pay regardless if they go under. > The car company decides the interface. If a rival chooses to create an open interface, and reap the benefits, market forces will ensure that all manufacturers do the same. Hahahaha just like "anyone can start a startup in India. They can take Amazon AWS servers and domain from Godaddy and there won't be an issue. Just like "anyone can apply for a business license and start a manufacturing plant" You blisfully and maliciously ignore that the entire govt machinery has been working overtime to favour Ambani Adani. > Moreover, the number of car manufacturers are limited, but the number of battery companies can expand a lot Yeah and there can be many businesses which you can set up. Sure, all you ought to do is as for a license. Sure, govt won't twist rules to favour JioBattery and JioElectricCar
- kumarvvr 6y ago
  >protect home grown e-tailers Protection for them has been around when the previous government was there too. FDI norms were eased only in the fag end of 2012. Additionally, I agree with protecting home grown e-tailers. Now, perhaps the rules favor Ambani, but breaking up large conglomerates is a different problem. From the perspective of enacting sound laws and regulation, restricting outside e-tailers and promoting home grown ones is always good, atleast until India is a lot more developed. > Due to stuoid red tape, Tesla took Gigafactory plans to China. And thereby ending up supporting an authoritarian regime that mocks human rights, and is actively participating in genocide. Tesla went to China for cheap labor. Do you think ill-treatment of workers in Chinese factories will be reported by "Independent media" in China? >anyone can start a startup in India. They can take Amazon AWS servers and domain from Godaddy and there won't be an issue I don't get it. Yes, anyone can actually make a startup in India, they can hire AWS servers, get domains from GoDaddy and there wont be an issue. I know because I did the same. >anyone can apply for a business license and start a manufacturing plant Technically true, but it's still difficult. Even in countries like US, you have to grease a few hands to get things done. Sure, it may be the hands of a Senator, but still you have to do it. I would say the exception is Silicon Valley, but examples like those are few and far between. Even SV spends a lot for lobbying. >You blisfully and maliciously ignore that the entire govt machinery has been working overtime to favour Ambani Adani. Far fetched. >Yeah and there can be many businesses which you can set up. Sure, all you ought to do is as for a license. Sure, govt won't twist rules to favour JioBattery and JioElectricCar Can you run a business in your country without a license from the govt? Govt. may twist rules, but the rules currently placed are not twisted. I never said they cannot be twisted in the future.
  - implements 6y ago
    > Can you run a business in your country without a license from the govt? As far as I know, businesses don’t require general licences to operate in the United Kingdom. Licences for certain activities that have an environmental impact may be necessary (significant use of water, potential pollution of air / ground / water, dangerous material handling).

ra7 6y ago

> Considering that the ruling party is BJP (equivalent to US Republicans) There are many things wrong with the BJP, but they are not really equivalent to the Republican Party. This is a lazy comparison at best, disingenuous at worst. Their economic, environmental policies and even social issues are completely different than the Republicans.

thewhitetulip 6y ago
Since when is equivalent mean exactly same? Your statement is lazy comparison, disingenuous at worst. Economic policies? Oh, do you mean the disasterous butchering of Indian Economy which took it to a 8yr low? Or do you mean the 45yr high unemployment level? Or the pathetic rollout of GST when they kept changing rules everyday or the disasterous demonization which screwed up entire informal sector? Environmental policy? Is this the same policy wherein the BJP is about to remove all protections provided to Environment by law? It would made it very easy for companies to take out a forest? Or are you referring to the million trees cut down under the pretense of "development" Or do you refer to the butchering of part of Arey forest for a metro car shade in Mumbai? Social issues you say? So you mean the blatant attempt of destroying Secular fabric of this nation by bringing CAA NRC? Or do you refer to the police state wherein they arrest everyone who dares oppose them on sedition? Or the arrest-but-no chargesheet-file? Or the malicious rearrests after courts have let the dissenters go?
- ra7 6y ago
  You are just listing newspaper headline items, I'm not sure how they are relevant when comparing BJP with the Republican Party. Let's actually talk about the policies and contrast. Some of the government schemes announced (and in progress) would make Modi right at home in a Bernie Sanders town hall meeting rather than being similar to the Republicans. Just off the top of my head: * Modi doubled down on Congress' NREGA scheme for providing guaranteed 100 days of pay to rural workers, whether they worked or not. * Introduced direct cash transfers to farmers. * Various farm loan waivers, especially some of the BJP-led state governments. * Announced a free healthcare under National Health Protection scheme. * Free housing, electricity and LPG gas connections for the poor. * Introduced long term capital gains tax in 2019. * Non-opposition to LGBT rights. I say "non-opposition" because they don't champion it like the Democrats, but are neutral since it's not a big ticket item in Indian society or politics. They passed a bill to prohibit discrimination against transgender persons last year (but there is some controversy surrounding it [1]). Again, a big no-no for the Republican Party. * Massive push for renewable energy - India doubled its renewable energy capacity in 3 years and on track to triple it in the following 4 years [2]. 47 GW (45% of all under development) coal projects was cancelled just in 2019 [3]. Good luck trying to get the climate change denying Republicans to do this. BJP's economic polices are as socialist as they come [4]. None of this would fly with the Republicans. That's how they are different - in actual policy positions. [1] - https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/12/04/784398783/india-just-passed-a-trans-rights-bill-why-are-trans-activists-protesting-it https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/12/04/7843987... [2] - https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/energy-speak/new-record-with-renewable-energy-installations-40-times-higher-than-thermal/3421 https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/energy-speak/new... [3] - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/banking/finance/banking/47400-mw-coal-fired-power-projects-were-cancelled-in-india-in-2019-report/articleshow/74831848.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/banking/financ... [4] - https://www.fairobserver.com/region/central_south_asia/india-budget-socialism-narendra-modi-world-news-today-32090/ https://www.fairobserver.com/region/central_south_asia/india...