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That’s a very cynical way to interpret what I said. I was responding to Corbyn being defined as weak and of the PR mess that was exasperated by saboteurs, not p

That’s a very cynical way to interpret what I said. I was responding to Corbyn being defined as weak and of the PR mess that was exasperated by saboteurs, not providing a solution to the real problem of antisemitism. We’re not talking about a ranked value system here, we’re talking about an organisation that can do multiple things at the same time.

cynicalkane 6y ago
No. The "real solution" is to oppose anti-semitism with all due expediency. I don't care if it was exasperated by "saboteurs". If Corbyn can't adopt this basic moral position that all humans ought to adopt, I don't care to hear any excuses at all.
- s0l1dsnak3123 6y ago
  A straw man. It wasn’t exposed by saboteurs. It was exaggerated with false news stories to add to the legitimate and real concern and to keep the story in the news. The antisemitism is real. So is the outrage about how labour staffers conspired to destroy Labours electoral success. Your blindness to this obvious point is very revealing. Edit: you seemed to have silently edited your comment to change your argument, so I’ll do the same: > No. The "real solution" is to oppose anti-semitism with all due expediency. And the labour leaks show that a faction of the party was purposefully undermining labours ability to do this against the wishes of the leadership. Do you accept this? > I don't care if it was exasperated by "saboteurs". If Corbyn can't adopt this basic moral position that all humans ought to adopt, I don't care to hear any excuses at all. That makes no sense: are you really arguing that Corbyn’s political enemies’ actions lead you to hate Corbyn’s moral position, even when it ostensibly matches your own? Maybe you should have another think before you reply
  - cynicalkane 6y ago
    The "straw-man" concerns one of the most hateful, vapid and odious ideas that humanity that ever devised. Corbyn failed to confront it. Conspiracy theories, whataboutism, insults -- these are less than nothing, yet the spineless Corbyn and his supporters dare claim leadership over better people, and fabricate whiny paranoid stories of their persecution. Given that there are liberals and leftists who are not comfortable with pointless evil, everything else is insignificant.
    - s0l1dsnak3123 6y ago
      Meanwhile, the Tory party (The party which is in power) gets a free pass: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conse... Corbynite Labour is the party you vote for to fight fascism and antisemitism. But instead media parrots like yourself prefer to ignore any nuance because - I suspect - it suits your conservative political ideology. It’s destructive thought patterns like the ones you are displaying which have allowed Boris Johnson into power. I think you’ll find that if Jewish people in the UK (and I sincerely And truly hope this never, ever happens - to Jews, or any other vulnerable group) is ever treated like they have been in the past, it won’t be from people like Corbyn, it’ll be by people like Patel. But, you know, you do you.

cynicalkane 6y ago

No. The "real solution" is to oppose anti-semitism with all due expediency. I don't care if it was exasperated by "saboteurs". If Corbyn can't adopt this basic moral position that all humans ought to adopt, I don't care to hear any excuses at all.

s0l1dsnak3123 6y ago
A straw man. It wasn’t exposed by saboteurs. It was exaggerated with false news stories to add to the legitimate and real concern and to keep the story in the news. The antisemitism is real. So is the outrage about how labour staffers conspired to destroy Labours electoral success. Your blindness to this obvious point is very revealing. Edit: you seemed to have silently edited your comment to change your argument, so I’ll do the same: > No. The "real solution" is to oppose anti-semitism with all due expediency. And the labour leaks show that a faction of the party was purposefully undermining labours ability to do this against the wishes of the leadership. Do you accept this? > I don't care if it was exasperated by "saboteurs". If Corbyn can't adopt this basic moral position that all humans ought to adopt, I don't care to hear any excuses at all. That makes no sense: are you really arguing that Corbyn’s political enemies’ actions lead you to hate Corbyn’s moral position, even when it ostensibly matches your own? Maybe you should have another think before you reply
- cynicalkane 6y ago
  The "straw-man" concerns one of the most hateful, vapid and odious ideas that humanity that ever devised. Corbyn failed to confront it. Conspiracy theories, whataboutism, insults -- these are less than nothing, yet the spineless Corbyn and his supporters dare claim leadership over better people, and fabricate whiny paranoid stories of their persecution. Given that there are liberals and leftists who are not comfortable with pointless evil, everything else is insignificant.
  - s0l1dsnak3123 6y ago
    Meanwhile, the Tory party (The party which is in power) gets a free pass: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conse... Corbynite Labour is the party you vote for to fight fascism and antisemitism. But instead media parrots like yourself prefer to ignore any nuance because - I suspect - it suits your conservative political ideology. It’s destructive thought patterns like the ones you are displaying which have allowed Boris Johnson into power. I think you’ll find that if Jewish people in the UK (and I sincerely And truly hope this never, ever happens - to Jews, or any other vulnerable group) is ever treated like they have been in the past, it won’t be from people like Corbyn, it’ll be by people like Patel. But, you know, you do you.