Not quite what I said. I said they are not needed for rank and file application (domain-centric) development, IF the tooling and programming language are decent

Not quite what I said. I said they are not needed for rank and file application (domain-centric) development, IF the tooling and programming language are decent. If you bring up a scenario, I can probably poke holes in it. Done it many times in many debates. I don't mean to sound arrogant, but I keep winning THIS one for whatever reason.