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Here’s a good critique of Debt by Noah Smith: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2014/11/book-review-debt-first-5000-years.html?m=1 http://noahpinionblog.blogsp

Here’s a good critique of Debt by Noah Smith: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2014/11/book-review-debt-first-5000-years.html?m=1 http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2014/11/book-review-debt-...

mtts 6y ago
No need to share this link twice. Especially since the piece is itself more of an unfocused mess than the book it intends to critique.
paganel 6y ago
Thanks for that link, it kind of already shows its age (2014), it was from a time when people still believed that capitalism was worthy of being defended out in the open (and when calling someone a "leftist" was still seen as a coming from the "center", not from the other political extreme). Interesting how fast things change.
yarrel 6y ago
You've provided the wrong link. That's a link to a bad critique of Debt by Noah Smith. Can you edit your comment to point to the good one?
- LudwigNagasena 6y ago
  I don’t like Noah but I agree with his point that Graeber’s book, which is named Debt, is actually not about debt and doesn’t explain debt much and even misrepresents modern economics. It is just a topic that lets Graeber go on tangents and moralize.
  - tacheiordache 6y ago
    Modern economics is twisted in such ways that Graeber attempts to demistify it. Honestly, have you read the book?
    - LudwigNagasena 6y ago
      Economics is a complicated topic (though I wouldn’t use the word “twisted”) that consists of many things and people get a PhD to specialize and understand a small part of it (some type of macro, micro, labor, industrial organization, econometrics, etc). Making factual errors that economic historians have to point out doesn’t help to demistify it, unfortunately. I also wouldn’t expect someone who probably wouldn’t be able to pass the Ideological Turing Test to “demistify” the opposite view. Graeber didn’t know much modern economics and can’t adequately engage with the economic literature, he made foolish claims like “ economists still teach their students that the primary economic role of government—many would insist, its only really proper economic role—is to guarantee price stability.” I am not saying there is nothing to criticize in economics, but to criticize something you need to understand it, so naturally some of the best criticisms of economics come from economists and adjacent professions, and that’s how the field keeps changing and developing. Just like any other academic discipline.
      - albatruss 6y ago
        I'm going to echo the parent's sentiment here: > Honestly, have you read the book? Because the quote you provided is not from the book being discussed.
        LudwigNagasena 6y ago
        I know it is not from the book being discussed and that’s why I didn’t say it is. That’s all I can say to this low-effort bad-faith response.
        albatruss 6y ago
        You could confirm or deny whether or not you have actually read the book, having presented yourself two posts above as someone in a position to critique it. Is misrepresentation of expertise and talking past the people you're responding to not also a low-effort, bad faith act?

Here’s a good critique of Debt by Noah Smith: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2014/11/book-review-debt-first-5000-years.html?m=1 http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2014/11/book-review-debt-...

mtts 6y ago

No need to share this link twice. Especially since the piece is itself more of an unfocused mess than the book it intends to critique.

paganel 6y ago

Thanks for that link, it kind of already shows its age (2014), it was from a time when people still believed that capitalism was worthy of being defended out in the open (and when calling someone a "leftist" was still seen as a coming from the "center", not from the other political extreme). Interesting how fast things change.

yarrel 6y ago

You've provided the wrong link. That's a link to a bad critique of Debt by Noah Smith. Can you edit your comment to point to the good one?

LudwigNagasena 6y ago
I don’t like Noah but I agree with his point that Graeber’s book, which is named Debt, is actually not about debt and doesn’t explain debt much and even misrepresents modern economics. It is just a topic that lets Graeber go on tangents and moralize.
- tacheiordache 6y ago
  Modern economics is twisted in such ways that Graeber attempts to demistify it. Honestly, have you read the book?
  - LudwigNagasena 6y ago
    Economics is a complicated topic (though I wouldn’t use the word “twisted”) that consists of many things and people get a PhD to specialize and understand a small part of it (some type of macro, micro, labor, industrial organization, econometrics, etc). Making factual errors that economic historians have to point out doesn’t help to demistify it, unfortunately. I also wouldn’t expect someone who probably wouldn’t be able to pass the Ideological Turing Test to “demistify” the opposite view. Graeber didn’t know much modern economics and can’t adequately engage with the economic literature, he made foolish claims like “ economists still teach their students that the primary economic role of government—many would insist, its only really proper economic role—is to guarantee price stability.” I am not saying there is nothing to criticize in economics, but to criticize something you need to understand it, so naturally some of the best criticisms of economics come from economists and adjacent professions, and that’s how the field keeps changing and developing. Just like any other academic discipline.
    - albatruss 6y ago
      I'm going to echo the parent's sentiment here: > Honestly, have you read the book? Because the quote you provided is not from the book being discussed.
      - LudwigNagasena 6y ago
        I know it is not from the book being discussed and that’s why I didn’t say it is. That’s all I can say to this low-effort bad-faith response.
        albatruss 6y ago
        You could confirm or deny whether or not you have actually read the book, having presented yourself two posts above as someone in a position to critique it. Is misrepresentation of expertise and talking past the people you're responding to not also a low-effort, bad faith act?