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>This is proper "don't be evil" territory. It's a bad look, for sure, but common in high end retail. Proper evil territory featuring cardboard cutout evil cap

>This is proper "don't be evil" territory. It's a bad look, for sure, but common in high end retail. Proper evil territory featuring cardboard cutout evil capitalists looks more like this: >Google, facing an advertising slump caused by the pandemic, has rescinded offers to several thousand people who had agreed to work at the company as temporary and contract workers. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/technology/google-rescinds-job-offers-to-contract-workers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/technology/google-rescind...

Loughla 6y ago
Maybe I'm really way more removed from tech than I thought, but isn't there a difference? Apple: Not paying you for mandated time spent at work for the employers benefit. Google: Cuts temporary and contract workers because of budget problems. What makes the first regular retail action, and the second evil? Because I would argue that both, while garbage, are, in-fact, pretty standard things that bad people do. Contract and temp employees are the first to go when times get bad. That's true across industry, correct? What am I missing?
- GeekyBear 6y ago
  >What am I missing? If Google can hand a $90 million dollar bonus payment to Andy Rubin after they investigate him for sexual assault on a subordinate and ask him to leave the company, they can afford to pay a few contract employees. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-harassment-andy-rubin.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-... Apple has continued to pay it's contract employees who aren't able to work under current conditions.
  - jchw 6y ago
    > Apple has continued to pay it's contract employees who aren't able to work under current conditions. So have Google, Facebook, Twitter: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-google-facebook-twitter-contractors-to-get-regular-pay.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-google-facebook-... Of course I still understand the frustration with the some thousand people who were denied jobs after they made it all the way through the funnel, but it's still not the same thing.
    - GeekyBear 6y ago
      Again, if Google can afford to hand a ninety million dollar bonus to a supervisor who they fire for sexually assaulting a subordinate, they can certainly afford to live up to the job offers they make to the little people. Or is this suddenly not about what's right, when we're talking about Google? Apple paying people for all the time they are required to be present for their shift is certainly what's right, even in districts where doing so has not yet been legally mandated, correct?
      - jchw 6y ago
        You said: > Apple has continued to pay it's contract employees who aren't able to work under current conditions. This implies that Google is not doing so, which is untrue. Please stop trying to change the subject.
        GeekyBear 6y ago
        Given that I linked to articles describing the exact behavior I am criticizing (screwing over people in a global pandemic after offering them a job, and paying a ninety million dollar bonus to a high level executive when he is being fired for sexually assaulting a subordinate) I'm not implying anything. I'm criticizing specific behaviors that I find to be more in line with the notion of "cardboard cutout evil capitalists".
C1sc0cat 6y ago
But with shitty stuff like this you don't want to be the company that loses the case. Apple needs a new HR director
jdmichal 6y ago
This seems like a fundamental mistunderstanding of why a business of Google's size keeps around temporary and contract workers. One of the specific benefits is having a group of people that can be reduced without having actual layoffs ("actual" as in legal definition). If Google wasn't going to do this and pay them regardless of the need for them, they never would have hired them as temporary or contract workers in the first place.

Loughla 6y ago

Maybe I'm really way more removed from tech than I thought, but isn't there a difference? Apple: Not paying you for mandated time spent at work for the employers benefit. Google: Cuts temporary and contract workers because of budget problems. What makes the first regular retail action, and the second evil? Because I would argue that both, while garbage, are, in-fact, pretty standard things that bad people do. Contract and temp employees are the first to go when times get bad. That's true across industry, correct? What am I missing?

GeekyBear 6y ago
>What am I missing? If Google can hand a $90 million dollar bonus payment to Andy Rubin after they investigate him for sexual assault on a subordinate and ask him to leave the company, they can afford to pay a few contract employees. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-harassment-andy-rubin.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-... Apple has continued to pay it's contract employees who aren't able to work under current conditions.
- jchw 6y ago
  > Apple has continued to pay it's contract employees who aren't able to work under current conditions. So have Google, Facebook, Twitter: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-google-facebook-twitter-contractors-to-get-regular-pay.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-google-facebook-... Of course I still understand the frustration with the some thousand people who were denied jobs after they made it all the way through the funnel, but it's still not the same thing.
  - GeekyBear 6y ago
    Again, if Google can afford to hand a ninety million dollar bonus to a supervisor who they fire for sexually assaulting a subordinate, they can certainly afford to live up to the job offers they make to the little people. Or is this suddenly not about what's right, when we're talking about Google? Apple paying people for all the time they are required to be present for their shift is certainly what's right, even in districts where doing so has not yet been legally mandated, correct?
    - jchw 6y ago
      You said: > Apple has continued to pay it's contract employees who aren't able to work under current conditions. This implies that Google is not doing so, which is untrue. Please stop trying to change the subject.
      - GeekyBear 6y ago
        Given that I linked to articles describing the exact behavior I am criticizing (screwing over people in a global pandemic after offering them a job, and paying a ninety million dollar bonus to a high level executive when he is being fired for sexually assaulting a subordinate) I'm not implying anything. I'm criticizing specific behaviors that I find to be more in line with the notion of "cardboard cutout evil capitalists".

C1sc0cat 6y ago

But with shitty stuff like this you don't want to be the company that loses the case. Apple needs a new HR director

jdmichal 6y ago

This seems like a fundamental mistunderstanding of why a business of Google's size keeps around temporary and contract workers. One of the specific benefits is having a group of people that can be reduced without having actual layoffs ("actual" as in legal definition). If Google wasn't going to do this and pay them regardless of the need for them, they never would have hired them as temporary or contract workers in the first place.