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So uh, for the most part, $50-$60k/year is a middle class income, and depending on where you live, can be upper middle class (in the US, in USD; in Canada the n

by ygjb 6y ago

So uh, for the most part, $50-$60k/year is a middle class income, and depending on where you live, can be upper middle class (in the US, in USD; in Canada the numbers are lower in CAD). For the vast majority of workers in North America, $25-$30/ hour is well paid. Many people buy houses and raise families in households with one middle class income and one lower income.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> $50-$60k/year is a middle class income, It's perhaps a middle income income, but its not an income that is typical of the middle class (petit bourgeoisie).
- leetcrew 6y ago
  this is needless hairsplitting. I doubt you can find two people who agree on exactly what "middle class" means. some people use class as a direct proxy for income. for others class might be tied to the way you make money (hourly wage, salary, or returns from capital), level of education, and/or "lifestyle". the wikipedia page for "petit bourgeoisie" lists the following as examples: * Successful small business owners. * Middle managers in the service sector (middle management). * Lawyers working in small partnerships. * Private GP practices. depending how successful "successful" is here, the first and second examples could be people making $50-60k in a low-mid COL area. I don't think most people would consider a lawyer to be middle class (maybe upper-middle), and I definitely don't think they would consider a doctor with their own practice to be middle class.
PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
(1) you're assuming a 40hr work week (2) median household income in the USA is about $56k.
ghaff 6y ago
Assuming they're paid for 40 hours a week. The parent was pointing out that flight attendants spend a lot of time hanging around airports that they're not usually compensated for. I'm not arguing it's a bad job. Historically, it was seen as a somewhat exotic see-the-world job for young people. (And at least the Asian carriers sort of enforced that.)
lotsofpulp 6y ago
It’s a terrible income considering how much time you have to devote to it, starting when you leave the house. $50-$60k when you come home everyday at a set schedule and get to see your kids and have dinner with the family is different than $50k-$60k where you spend almost all the time traveling and getting an extra dose of solar radiation. I’m sure it’s a great job for single and younger people who might want those trade offs, but it sucks overall.

by ygjb 6y ago

dragonwriter 6y ago

> $50-$60k/year is a middle class income, It's perhaps a middle income income, but its not an income that is typical of the middle class (petit bourgeoisie).

leetcrew 6y ago
this is needless hairsplitting. I doubt you can find two people who agree on exactly what "middle class" means. some people use class as a direct proxy for income. for others class might be tied to the way you make money (hourly wage, salary, or returns from capital), level of education, and/or "lifestyle". the wikipedia page for "petit bourgeoisie" lists the following as examples: * Successful small business owners. * Middle managers in the service sector (middle management). * Lawyers working in small partnerships. * Private GP practices. depending how successful "successful" is here, the first and second examples could be people making $50-60k in a low-mid COL area. I don't think most people would consider a lawyer to be middle class (maybe upper-middle), and I definitely don't think they would consider a doctor with their own practice to be middle class.

PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago

(1) you're assuming a 40hr work week (2) median household income in the USA is about $56k.

ghaff 6y ago

Assuming they're paid for 40 hours a week. The parent was pointing out that flight attendants spend a lot of time hanging around airports that they're not usually compensated for. I'm not arguing it's a bad job. Historically, it was seen as a somewhat exotic see-the-world job for young people. (And at least the Asian carriers sort of enforced that.)

lotsofpulp 6y ago

It’s a terrible income considering how much time you have to devote to it, starting when you leave the house. $50-$60k when you come home everyday at a set schedule and get to see your kids and have dinner with the family is different than $50k-$60k where you spend almost all the time traveling and getting an extra dose of solar radiation. I’m sure it’s a great job for single and younger people who might want those trade offs, but it sucks overall.