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From maintainer prospective he has gotten thumb down, whether it's "boo to to maintainer or to the law". That may not be the actual case but the majority of peo

From maintainer prospective he has gotten thumb down, whether it's "boo to to maintainer or to the law". That may not be the actual case but the majority of people surprised here clearly shows they're not aware or don't want to see the other side of the table. I agree, Iran is really threatening US: https://lipstick-and-war-crimes.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/US-bases-around-Iran-jpg.jpg https://lipstick-and-war-crimes.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/... how Iran dares to put the country next to US military bases ? Jokes aside. A simple map could clearly shows, US is thousands of miles away from Iran. What they do here ? This place was fine and long before any US warship show up in the Persian Gulf. Was it Islamic Republic in 1953 when US (CIA) and Britain toppled democratically elected prime minister Mosadeq ? Or how about Iran-Iraq war were Iraq was supplied with intels, luxury weapons, naval and air help from US or many other country and being funded billions to continue the war, even French pilot flying their airplanes and Germany supplying them chemical weapons to be used on Iranian civil and US calling Saddam "Our Man in Baqdad", he was the sweetheart until he dared to do something US didn't like and you see what happened to Saddam and great people of Iraq being mascaraed and bombed to ashes. (_Saddam dared to attack Kuwait to take on oil fields because he felt that war with Iran caused tons of financial damages to the country so he thought he deserved the money back from the Arab World, US didn't like it and ..._) Umm, how about Iran and US cooperation to topple Taliban government ? Wasn't that a token of "deescalation", that ended for Iran being called "Axis of Evil" by George W. Bush. How about assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani ? was that a token of friendship by US? He was carrying a meeting response from supreme leader for Saudi Arabia for deescalation and lowering the tension between both countries. For US, a country is either a client state or "let's give them a taste of democracy and libation!" Just because US can bully countries around, it doesn't mean it's a tough guy and we have seen it several times. I hope one day, me and you don't need to have such conversations, ordinary people that only want to have a simple life, food on the table and a peaceful environment where any person on earth can be free from damages caused by others on them, well that's a wishful thinking, but I like to believe someday that would happen.

macspoofing 6y ago
You're throwing the kitchen sink and arguing against the current reality. Sure. You can do that if you want. But whether you or I dislike the current state of things, the reality is that things are the way they are. United States exists in the present form, with alliances in the middle-east and as a nation-state Iran can choose to engage with it through confrontation or not. Iran has chosen consistently to do it with through confrontation. Iran can't control United States, and they can't control our present reality, but they can control how they conduct themselves. And they are choosing a path of confrontation. >Umm, how about Iran and US cooperation to topple Taliban government ? Wasn't that a token of "deescalation", that ended for Iran being called "Axis of Evil" by George W. Bush. You're under the mistaken impression that all nations are equal before the law and it seems to you unfair that America is able to do things that Iran is not. The problem is that there is no universal inter-nation law, or a global constitution. At the nation level it's all ad-hoc realpolitik and hegemony and geopolitical interests - as has been the case since the civilization begun. You can continue raging against the unfairness of it all (and I may even agree), just as Iranian government is doing - but in the end, things are the way things are, and the only entity that is hurt by Iranian actions is Iran and its people. And it's not just America that has issues with Iran, by the way. Until very recently Iran has been under broad international sanctions. The recent normalization of relationship (implicit and explicit) between various Arab-states and Israel is a direct response to Iran as well. Think about it, even though there continues to be tension between Arab states and Israel, they are all willing to put that aside because they view Iran as a greater threat. So tell me, how is that when you take all this in, and see that it is pretty much just Iran that is treated as piranha, not just by United States, but also by the entire region, how is it that you don't think they share any responsibility for conducting their policies in a way that got them to the place they are presently in - under sanctions, with no friends. You can blame America for that. You can say it's unfair. But it is the way it is.
- Alir3z4 6y ago
  I disagree with the statement that "all is on you is caused by you" (_or maybe it's not your direct point_) although that's what it is in reality when dealing with bullying, from the bully point of view. I agree completely that countries are not bound by law or any centralize law or government/authority (_Jokes on you UN_), I don't mean countries having human emotions, after all, they have their interest, as long as their interest is met, they do what they can do, be it US, UK, Iran or any other country, even their mutual alliance is for their own interest (_which could be with compromises as well, such as JCPOA accepted by Iran_) As an ordinary citizen, I'm outraged by the situation (_that's so far I can do_) and how it has affected my life and loved ones. Was I looking at Iran government and say "why our gov is not friend and doesn't do what they say so it's could be blue sky and peaceful life?", I did but later looking more closely and looking at events and see how thing turned out to be it was clear I can't say "Iran/we deserve it because we don't do what they telling us to do." Like many others I had great hopes with JCPOA and I witnessed how it fallen apart by US unilaterally. Tell me honestly, buying commercial airplanes risks the global security while people in Iran have to fly with +40 years old commercial planes ? > Arab-states and Israel is a direct response to Iran as well. Yes, exactly, isn't nice that both countries joined together to counter the "bogeyman" that has been created ? If I keep telling you Mexico will someday take all American jobs and all the drug dealers are Mexicans, eventually someone gonna take advantage of the situation and gonna come and say, "let's build a wall" and many will vote for him to do that. The greatest mistakes Iranian did was to do a revolution and have new government, suddenly all the universe hated them and we have our neighbor knocking on the door and invade us :D I agree with you, it's unfair, it's what it is and how it is right now in the current time and all I'm saying is, well, it's unfair and I hate it that many people point out "If Iran doesn't like it, they can change and submit", niet, it hasn't ever happened and will not happen. The oppressed will be always to blame by the _oppressor_. Fun fact, "De oppresso liber", taught to 65th Airborne Special Forces Brigade of Iran by their long ago American friend and has been with them ever since. Take care you good sir ;)

macspoofing 6y ago

You're throwing the kitchen sink and arguing against the current reality. Sure. You can do that if you want. But whether you or I dislike the current state of things, the reality is that things are the way they are. United States exists in the present form, with alliances in the middle-east and as a nation-state Iran can choose to engage with it through confrontation or not. Iran has chosen consistently to do it with through confrontation. Iran can't control United States, and they can't control our present reality, but they can control how they conduct themselves. And they are choosing a path of confrontation. >Umm, how about Iran and US cooperation to topple Taliban government ? Wasn't that a token of "deescalation", that ended for Iran being called "Axis of Evil" by George W. Bush. You're under the mistaken impression that all nations are equal before the law and it seems to you unfair that America is able to do things that Iran is not. The problem is that there is no universal inter-nation law, or a global constitution. At the nation level it's all ad-hoc realpolitik and hegemony and geopolitical interests - as has been the case since the civilization begun. You can continue raging against the unfairness of it all (and I may even agree), just as Iranian government is doing - but in the end, things are the way things are, and the only entity that is hurt by Iranian actions is Iran and its people. And it's not just America that has issues with Iran, by the way. Until very recently Iran has been under broad international sanctions. The recent normalization of relationship (implicit and explicit) between various Arab-states and Israel is a direct response to Iran as well. Think about it, even though there continues to be tension between Arab states and Israel, they are all willing to put that aside because they view Iran as a greater threat. So tell me, how is that when you take all this in, and see that it is pretty much just Iran that is treated as piranha, not just by United States, but also by the entire region, how is it that you don't think they share any responsibility for conducting their policies in a way that got them to the place they are presently in - under sanctions, with no friends. You can blame America for that. You can say it's unfair. But it is the way it is.

Alir3z4 6y ago
I disagree with the statement that "all is on you is caused by you" (_or maybe it's not your direct point_) although that's what it is in reality when dealing with bullying, from the bully point of view. I agree completely that countries are not bound by law or any centralize law or government/authority (_Jokes on you UN_), I don't mean countries having human emotions, after all, they have their interest, as long as their interest is met, they do what they can do, be it US, UK, Iran or any other country, even their mutual alliance is for their own interest (_which could be with compromises as well, such as JCPOA accepted by Iran_) As an ordinary citizen, I'm outraged by the situation (_that's so far I can do_) and how it has affected my life and loved ones. Was I looking at Iran government and say "why our gov is not friend and doesn't do what they say so it's could be blue sky and peaceful life?", I did but later looking more closely and looking at events and see how thing turned out to be it was clear I can't say "Iran/we deserve it because we don't do what they telling us to do." Like many others I had great hopes with JCPOA and I witnessed how it fallen apart by US unilaterally. Tell me honestly, buying commercial airplanes risks the global security while people in Iran have to fly with +40 years old commercial planes ? > Arab-states and Israel is a direct response to Iran as well. Yes, exactly, isn't nice that both countries joined together to counter the "bogeyman" that has been created ? If I keep telling you Mexico will someday take all American jobs and all the drug dealers are Mexicans, eventually someone gonna take advantage of the situation and gonna come and say, "let's build a wall" and many will vote for him to do that. The greatest mistakes Iranian did was to do a revolution and have new government, suddenly all the universe hated them and we have our neighbor knocking on the door and invade us :D I agree with you, it's unfair, it's what it is and how it is right now in the current time and all I'm saying is, well, it's unfair and I hate it that many people point out "If Iran doesn't like it, they can change and submit", niet, it hasn't ever happened and will not happen. The oppressed will be always to blame by the _oppressor_. Fun fact, "De oppresso liber", taught to 65th Airborne Special Forces Brigade of Iran by their long ago American friend and has been with them ever since. Take care you good sir ;)