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From my perspective that seems heavily over regulated. As long as the bread is made in a sanitary fashion and doesn't make people sick, why should a baker be ex
by 2trill2spill 6y ago
From my perspective that seems heavily over regulated. As long as the bread is made in a sanitary fashion and doesn't make people sick, why should a baker be expected to go through so much training/schooling?
- Xylakant 6y agoMeisterschule does not primarily teach you how to make bread. That’s the part before. It also teaches you how to educate new apprentices, how to run a business, etc. Maybe it’s over regulated, but on the other hand, we require solid education for a lot of professions. As long as the bridge doesn’t collapse, why should we expect an engineer to go through that much education? It’s only math and textbooks are freely available. As long as the patient survives, why do we require that doctors pass a certain education? It’s only biology and you can google most of it anyways.
- earthboundkid 6y agoWatching doctors google stuff really makes you worry about the medical equivalent of StackOverflow code.
- Xylakant 6y agoWe all do google stuff. The part that requires training is knowing what to google for and how to interpret the results.
- 2trill2spill 6y agoThere's a big difference in requiring a doctor or a engineer to have schooling, people could die. But if people eat a crappy loaf of bread who cares?
- Xylakant 6y agoPeople could actually die. Food poisoning of all kinds is a thing. Some of the stuff a baker works with is dangerous and flour explosions are a thing. Here’s a case where people died because of flour exploding in a mill: https://150.ngg.net/arbeitsbedingungen/gefahr-am-arbeitsplatz/index.htm https://150.ngg.net/arbeitsbedingungen/gefahr-am-arbeitsplat... Edit: Changed example.
- 2trill2spill 6y agoThat's why I said in my original post as long as the bread is made in a sanitary fashion. You can have health codes and food safety without requiring years of school. And your final point of flour exploding, that's a issue for flour mills not little bakeries. Most of the world does not require such extensive training to become a baker as Germany and the rest of the world is doing just fine.
- Xylakant 6y agoThe example page I picked is the workplace safety page of the union responsible food processing, bakeries among other things. And it explicitly list flour explosions as the largest danger in bakeries: “In Bäckereien und Mühlen sind Mehlstauexplosionen die größten Gefahren.“ (translated: “In bakeries and mills, flour explosions are the biggest dangers.”). A flour explosion in a bakery is something every local fire department trains for - and they’re not doing that for fun.
- mlyle 6y agoThis is why you have fire regulations and inspections. As best as I can tell, we haven't had a fatality from a bakery explosion in the US in the last 70 years, despite a much lower level of regulation. There's been a couple of large factory explosions and a few grain elevators/mills that have killed people, but ordinary bakeries seem not to have managed to do so. There's also health risks from flour dust, but there's ample workplace safety regulations that help mitigate these.
- mlyle 6y agoIMO, how much regulation there should be has to do with the potential risks. Food preparation is food preparation, and the practices needed to make food safely do not require years of education (and are proactively ensured by inspections everywhere in the developed world). So that risk can be crossed off the list easily. Other risks? That the bread tastes bad, or that the business will not be run profitably? Those risks are better borne by the person investing their capital and labor, rather than trying to protect people from themselves through more education.
- x87678r 6y agoWelcome to Europe. High quality everything comes at a price.
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