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Thank you. Yes, a strawman and so frustrating since I literally have the metabolic and genetic proof that I found out what was causing my mood disorder. And as

by podgaj 6y ago

Thank you. Yes, a strawman and so frustrating since I literally have the metabolic and genetic proof that I found out what was causing my mood disorder. And as a result the doctors are providing better and different treatment. This what this "layman" discovered.

least 6y ago
Do you or don't you have a disorder? In the first post you made in this thread you very clearly stated you don't. Now you're saying you do. The problem with your post is that you very discretely stated that you don't have a disorder even though you admit to being bipolar. Despite the fact that your "difference" has pushed you to suicide attempts, psychosis, and more. The fact that an effective treatment for you specifically was a low protein diet (which by your own admission still didn't remove the requirement for medication) doesn't make it not a disorder. The attitude is dangerous because you are spreading misinformation about something you are suffering from, which in turn can result in someone else being harmed.
- zepto 6y ago
  The viewpoint that bipolar (and other brain differences) is a difference rather than a disorder can enable a person to have self compassion, and find peace and self acceptance, even though the condition will continue to affect them. The idea that it’s a disorder and can be treated as such is a reasonable hypothesis for medical science to pursue, but that is all it is. Outside of that it’s just a source of stigma and misinformation.
  - least 6y ago
    The viewpoint is based in the reality we live in where we stigmatize abnormality. The correct response isn't to try and normalize abnormality, but to try and remove the stigma surrounding it. Suggesting that it is normal actually creates a stigma for those who are suffering from it from pursuing treatment because they're supposed to feel that way because it's "normal."
    - podgaj 6y ago
      In no way do I think my symptoms are normal and just different. What I am saying is that what causes my symptoms is a different response to a similar environmental input that most people do not react to, ie, diet. I want you to consider it being like an allergy, not that I have some sort of histmagenic response, just that when you take my trigger away I have no symptoms.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Who said anything about normalizing abnormality? If by abnormality, you mean traits that are far from the center of a population normal distribution, then I agree that this is essential information for a person to have about themselves. Nobody is encouraging people to think they aren’t different from the norm, when they in fact are. Abnormal, disordered, or diseased are very different things, and should not be confused. As for treatment - nobody should seek treatment because someone else has told them they are abnormal, or because they are not close to the center of the bell curve for a given trait. This is simply a bad reason. People should seek treatment if it will help improve their quality of life, and they are willing to accept the trade-offs that come with it. Whether they are ‘normal’ or not is irrelevant.
      - least 6y ago
        > Who said anything about normalizing abnormality? It's implicit in the original comment i responded to. > If by abnormality, you mean traits that are far from the center of a population normal distribution, then I agree that this is essential information for a person to have about themselves. Nobody is encouraging people to think they aren’t different from the norm, when they in fact are. People are encourage others to think they aren't different from the norm, this is prevalent throughout society at large, not just in cases of mental wellbeing. > Abnormal, disordered, or diseased are very different things, and should not be confused. Disorders and Diseases are both abnormalities. > As for treatment - nobody should seek treatment because someone else has told them they are abnormal, or because they are not close to the center of the bell curve for a given trait. This is simply a bad reason. This isn't true. Symptoms can manifest without an individual noticing it themself. Another trusted person telling you about these abnormalities to your behavior or physicality is a perfectly valid reason to seek treatment, even if it doesn't result in anything. > People should seek treatment if it will help improve their quality of life, and they are willing to accept the trade-offs that come with it. Whether they are ‘normal’ or not is irrelevant. Which was largely my point from the get go. The exception being cases where their lack of treatment being a danger to others.
- podgaj 6y ago
  I only have the disorder when I have symptoms. You get it? Those symptoms are caused by my diet and environment. I am not "Bipolar" because everyone is bipolar, every one has these states, mine are just more extreme when faced with environmental challenges. If someone has a peanut allergy do they have a disease or a disorder? no, they have a different response when exposed to peanuts. I use the term Bipolar Disorder because that is what people understand and it is the current medical terminology. As far as your idiotic comment about the medication I need everyone and a while. Well, have you ever taken as aspirin for a headache? Same thing. The aspirin is only needed when you have a headache. Do you have a headache disorder still? What I am suffering from was clinically diagnosed. I am no longer considered by my doctors to have Bipolar Disorder. Isn't that crazy!? After 35 years of being told this?
  - least 6y ago
    > If someone has a peanut allergy do they have a disease or a disorder? no, they have a different response when exposed to peanuts. They have an "allergy," which is just another medical term like disease or disorder to define something which is abnormal which negatively affects life. If everyone had an "allergy" to peanuts then we'd just call them poisonous. > As far as your idiotic comment about the medication I need everyone and a while. Well, have you ever taken as aspirin for a headache? Same thing. The aspirin is only needed when you have a headache. Do you have a headache disorder still? No, because a headache is atypical, while bipolar disorder isn't, like other mental health issues. We define bipolar disorder differently from mood swings. If someone with epilepsy finds improvement in their condition from following a ketogenic diet, that is also them finding an effective treatment for their condition. It does not mean they don't have epilepsy. > What I am suffering from was clinically diagnosed. I am no longer considered by my doctors to have Bipolar Disorder. Isn't that crazy!? After 35 years of being told this? What's important ultimately is you found something that works for you and makes your life better for it. Your insights can be valuable but shouldn't be seen as prescriptive to people that aren't you.
    - podgaj 6y ago
      You say bipolar is atypical, but you are wrong. I can go months with no symptoms, just like people with headaches can go months without one. Then I have a trigger; stress, diet, pollution, etc. and I have never said that my fix was for everyone. Not once ever. It is that thinking that kept me sick for so many years in the hands of the psychiatrists.

by podgaj 6y ago

least 6y ago

Do you or don't you have a disorder? In the first post you made in this thread you very clearly stated you don't. Now you're saying you do. The problem with your post is that you very discretely stated that you don't have a disorder even though you admit to being bipolar. Despite the fact that your "difference" has pushed you to suicide attempts, psychosis, and more. The fact that an effective treatment for you specifically was a low protein diet (which by your own admission still didn't remove the requirement for medication) doesn't make it not a disorder. The attitude is dangerous because you are spreading misinformation about something you are suffering from, which in turn can result in someone else being harmed.

zepto 6y ago
The viewpoint that bipolar (and other brain differences) is a difference rather than a disorder can enable a person to have self compassion, and find peace and self acceptance, even though the condition will continue to affect them. The idea that it’s a disorder and can be treated as such is a reasonable hypothesis for medical science to pursue, but that is all it is. Outside of that it’s just a source of stigma and misinformation.
- least 6y ago
  The viewpoint is based in the reality we live in where we stigmatize abnormality. The correct response isn't to try and normalize abnormality, but to try and remove the stigma surrounding it. Suggesting that it is normal actually creates a stigma for those who are suffering from it from pursuing treatment because they're supposed to feel that way because it's "normal."
  - podgaj 6y ago
    In no way do I think my symptoms are normal and just different. What I am saying is that what causes my symptoms is a different response to a similar environmental input that most people do not react to, ie, diet. I want you to consider it being like an allergy, not that I have some sort of histmagenic response, just that when you take my trigger away I have no symptoms.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Who said anything about normalizing abnormality? If by abnormality, you mean traits that are far from the center of a population normal distribution, then I agree that this is essential information for a person to have about themselves. Nobody is encouraging people to think they aren’t different from the norm, when they in fact are. Abnormal, disordered, or diseased are very different things, and should not be confused. As for treatment - nobody should seek treatment because someone else has told them they are abnormal, or because they are not close to the center of the bell curve for a given trait. This is simply a bad reason. People should seek treatment if it will help improve their quality of life, and they are willing to accept the trade-offs that come with it. Whether they are ‘normal’ or not is irrelevant.
    - least 6y ago
      > Who said anything about normalizing abnormality? It's implicit in the original comment i responded to. > If by abnormality, you mean traits that are far from the center of a population normal distribution, then I agree that this is essential information for a person to have about themselves. Nobody is encouraging people to think they aren’t different from the norm, when they in fact are. People are encourage others to think they aren't different from the norm, this is prevalent throughout society at large, not just in cases of mental wellbeing. > Abnormal, disordered, or diseased are very different things, and should not be confused. Disorders and Diseases are both abnormalities. > As for treatment - nobody should seek treatment because someone else has told them they are abnormal, or because they are not close to the center of the bell curve for a given trait. This is simply a bad reason. This isn't true. Symptoms can manifest without an individual noticing it themself. Another trusted person telling you about these abnormalities to your behavior or physicality is a perfectly valid reason to seek treatment, even if it doesn't result in anything. > People should seek treatment if it will help improve their quality of life, and they are willing to accept the trade-offs that come with it. Whether they are ‘normal’ or not is irrelevant. Which was largely my point from the get go. The exception being cases where their lack of treatment being a danger to others.
podgaj 6y ago
I only have the disorder when I have symptoms. You get it? Those symptoms are caused by my diet and environment. I am not "Bipolar" because everyone is bipolar, every one has these states, mine are just more extreme when faced with environmental challenges. If someone has a peanut allergy do they have a disease or a disorder? no, they have a different response when exposed to peanuts. I use the term Bipolar Disorder because that is what people understand and it is the current medical terminology. As far as your idiotic comment about the medication I need everyone and a while. Well, have you ever taken as aspirin for a headache? Same thing. The aspirin is only needed when you have a headache. Do you have a headache disorder still? What I am suffering from was clinically diagnosed. I am no longer considered by my doctors to have Bipolar Disorder. Isn't that crazy!? After 35 years of being told this?
- least 6y ago
  > If someone has a peanut allergy do they have a disease or a disorder? no, they have a different response when exposed to peanuts. They have an "allergy," which is just another medical term like disease or disorder to define something which is abnormal which negatively affects life. If everyone had an "allergy" to peanuts then we'd just call them poisonous. > As far as your idiotic comment about the medication I need everyone and a while. Well, have you ever taken as aspirin for a headache? Same thing. The aspirin is only needed when you have a headache. Do you have a headache disorder still? No, because a headache is atypical, while bipolar disorder isn't, like other mental health issues. We define bipolar disorder differently from mood swings. If someone with epilepsy finds improvement in their condition from following a ketogenic diet, that is also them finding an effective treatment for their condition. It does not mean they don't have epilepsy. > What I am suffering from was clinically diagnosed. I am no longer considered by my doctors to have Bipolar Disorder. Isn't that crazy!? After 35 years of being told this? What's important ultimately is you found something that works for you and makes your life better for it. Your insights can be valuable but shouldn't be seen as prescriptive to people that aren't you.
  - podgaj 6y ago
    You say bipolar is atypical, but you are wrong. I can go months with no symptoms, just like people with headaches can go months without one. Then I have a trigger; stress, diet, pollution, etc. and I have never said that my fix was for everyone. Not once ever. It is that thinking that kept me sick for so many years in the hands of the psychiatrists.