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I don't usually come on HN to say "you're wrong", but in this case you are. Steroid use is extremely common in body builders. It's pretty much a requirement s

I don't usually come on HN to say "you're wrong", but in this case you are. Steroid use is extremely common in body builders. It's pretty much a requirement since steroids JUST WORK. If you're not doing them, and the competitors are doing them, then you have no shot of winning. Yes, they have "natural bodybuilding", but look at those guys against the pros in the open divisions or the men's physique divisions - there's no comparison. They are not on TRT. They are taking testosterone doses 4-8x higher than a 20 year old male. So, steroids, all the serious bodybuilders are using it. The next level to get big is to combine HGH and insulin together. They have a massive synergistic effect. HGH in the morning with insulin around meals and it triggers the cells in the body to pull in vast amounts of energy (insulin) with tons of growth signals from the HGH. Steroids trigger muscle growth and rapid recovery, and the 3 of these drugs together allow body builders to train longer & harder, recover quicker, and convert food to growth much easier. > "One of the biggest members" - "maxed out all the machines" Call me very skeptical. Yes, you definitely can get results naturally. If you have great genes, you can get very good results. But, you'll never be a body builder level huge without the cocktail I just outlined.

bluedevil2k 6y ago
To further my point... 1 - The natural body building champion 2 - The Men's Physique division champion (no testing) 3 - The Men's Open division champion (no testing) 1 - https://gncukblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/richard-gozdecki-2.jpg https://gncukblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/richard-gozdec... 2 - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SAhkbadUk-8/hqdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SAhkbadUk-8/hqdefault.jpg 3 - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/O9B7Oden44w/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/O9B7Oden44w/maxresdefault.jpg
dencodev 6y ago
That he measured his strength by "maxing out all the machines" pretty much says everything you need to know about the accuracy of that statement
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  All of the Mr. Olympias use/used machines, for example, the leg press machine.
anagrammine 6y ago
Because the op stated his gym specifically I have credence for this comment. Good gyms for your build come with the all essential all pervading membrane osmosis crossing competitive atmosphere written by generations (gym generations of cohorts joining and competing really is a interesting subject and I think non builder scientists won't get any results from studying builders till one if them gets into the scene. It's not too hard I nearly did and back pedalled deliberately to later frequent regrets because the community just blows away any other uncontrolled self select non vocational grouping of ambitious men I have even heard about: I have even thought about fictionalizing a extrapolation of my experience how a depressive won't-dignify-brogrammer-hegemony nerd got his balls back thanks to the downright amazing decent people who inhabited my local gym. This was before gyms hardly existed in London and the nearest was called MuscleWorks. Nice pics of Sly and Arnie above the reception counter I thought, learning only years later both worked out there for Mr Universe... Not anybody said anything about those pictures but I soon noticed that same reverent upward gaze and nod like the Catholic genuflect, by the one time it wasn't observed by a visiting engineer... At any rate. I got the best wake up to life in human terms and the subsequent 14 years simply rocked... Second confidence I take from the op that's being downplayed here is the idea that the op couldn't have built naturally Well if my pair didn't already clang like bowling balls of solid steel just from meeting some of the regular guys who clearly had enough of my insecurities within ten seconds of observing me and put that Bs straight out the nearest window in the least painful major bsectomy of my life, I have to put the rest down to something about the sheer ts you create after spending time with a bunch of real sound alpha guys carrying less attitude than they let on fat competition days. Immense ts boost. All natural. 5 stone differencs for this otherwise unhappy skinny 6'4" nerd..
redis_mlc 6y ago
> I don't usually come on HN to say "you're wrong", but in this case you are. Actually, you're 100% wrong ... Where did I say that steroids weren't used? Where do you prove that insulin is not needed for mass? Steroids help, but you still have to do the lifting, sleeping and eating for results.

bluedevil2k 6y ago

To further my point... 1 - The natural body building champion 2 - The Men's Physique division champion (no testing) 3 - The Men's Open division champion (no testing) 1 - https://gncukblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/richard-gozdecki-2.jpg https://gncukblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/richard-gozdec... 2 - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SAhkbadUk-8/hqdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SAhkbadUk-8/hqdefault.jpg 3 - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/O9B7Oden44w/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/O9B7Oden44w/maxresdefault.jpg

dencodev 6y ago

That he measured his strength by "maxing out all the machines" pretty much says everything you need to know about the accuracy of that statement

redis_mlc 6y ago
All of the Mr. Olympias use/used machines, for example, the leg press machine.

anagrammine 6y ago

Because the op stated his gym specifically I have credence for this comment. Good gyms for your build come with the all essential all pervading membrane osmosis crossing competitive atmosphere written by generations (gym generations of cohorts joining and competing really is a interesting subject and I think non builder scientists won't get any results from studying builders till one if them gets into the scene. It's not too hard I nearly did and back pedalled deliberately to later frequent regrets because the community just blows away any other uncontrolled self select non vocational grouping of ambitious men I have even heard about: I have even thought about fictionalizing a extrapolation of my experience how a depressive won't-dignify-brogrammer-hegemony nerd got his balls back thanks to the downright amazing decent people who inhabited my local gym. This was before gyms hardly existed in London and the nearest was called MuscleWorks. Nice pics of Sly and Arnie above the reception counter I thought, learning only years later both worked out there for Mr Universe... Not anybody said anything about those pictures but I soon noticed that same reverent upward gaze and nod like the Catholic genuflect, by the one time it wasn't observed by a visiting engineer... At any rate. I got the best wake up to life in human terms and the subsequent 14 years simply rocked... Second confidence I take from the op that's being downplayed here is the idea that the op couldn't have built naturally Well if my pair didn't already clang like bowling balls of solid steel just from meeting some of the regular guys who clearly had enough of my insecurities within ten seconds of observing me and put that Bs straight out the nearest window in the least painful major bsectomy of my life, I have to put the rest down to something about the sheer ts you create after spending time with a bunch of real sound alpha guys carrying less attitude than they let on fat competition days. Immense ts boost. All natural. 5 stone differencs for this otherwise unhappy skinny 6'4" nerd..

redis_mlc 6y ago

> I don't usually come on HN to say "you're wrong", but in this case you are. Actually, you're 100% wrong ... Where did I say that steroids weren't used? Where do you prove that insulin is not needed for mass? Steroids help, but you still have to do the lifting, sleeping and eating for results.