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Can you provide an example of what you consider “manipulation?”

cheschire 6y ago
This seems like a question with obvious answers, which leads me to believe you're attempting to build a trap because you've already got some outcome in mind and you're ready to pounce. But just in case you're serious, check out what a shill is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
- alexmingoia 6y ago
  I know what a shill is... Are you implying that the manipulation is shilling? Can you provide an example? I use Facebook. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything I would qualify as manipulation in sponsored posts, as my sponsored posts are almost always product advertisements. So it’s not obvious to me what is meant by “manipulation” in the post I was responding to. I think asking for an example is quite reasonable.
  - turbohz 6y ago
    You're in the bubble
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  - smt88 6y ago
    Not everyone on FB sees manipulated media. I almost never did before I deleted my account. It depends on your social network, groups, likes, and shares. Manipulators are always going to try to target people who want to believe their lies.
    - alexmingoia 6y ago
      Which is why I asked for an example... I frequently read claims of voter manipulation and armies of paid shills and such, but I’ve never seen a single example of what exactly they’re talking about.
- smt88 6y ago
  Even if you're right, you're not supposed to attack people on HN. It's not interesting to see everyone accuse each other of being shills without adding anything to the discussion. It's better to just downvote and move on.
  - cheschire 6y ago
    I wasn't implying he is a shill, I was answering his question by providing reference to a type of manipulation that has been around since before the internet. The first part of my response was because it seemed like he was trying to lure the parent reply into a debate trap using leading questions. Not because I thought he was a shill.
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moksly 6y ago
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/manipulate https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis...

This seems like a question with obvious answers, which leads me to believe you're attempting to build a trap because you've already got some outcome in mind and you're ready to pounce. But just in case you're serious, check out what a shill is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

alexmingoia 6y ago
I know what a shill is... Are you implying that the manipulation is shilling? Can you provide an example? I use Facebook. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything I would qualify as manipulation in sponsored posts, as my sponsored posts are almost always product advertisements. So it’s not obvious to me what is meant by “manipulation” in the post I was responding to. I think asking for an example is quite reasonable.
- turbohz 6y ago
  You're in the bubble
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- smt88 6y ago
  Not everyone on FB sees manipulated media. I almost never did before I deleted my account. It depends on your social network, groups, likes, and shares. Manipulators are always going to try to target people who want to believe their lies.
  - alexmingoia 6y ago
    Which is why I asked for an example... I frequently read claims of voter manipulation and armies of paid shills and such, but I’ve never seen a single example of what exactly they’re talking about.
smt88 6y ago
Even if you're right, you're not supposed to attack people on HN. It's not interesting to see everyone accuse each other of being shills without adding anything to the discussion. It's better to just downvote and move on.
- cheschire 6y ago
  I wasn't implying he is a shill, I was answering his question by providing reference to a type of manipulation that has been around since before the internet. The first part of my response was because it seemed like he was trying to lure the parent reply into a debate trap using leading questions. Not because I thought he was a shill.
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moksly 6y ago

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/manipulate https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis...