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> P2P technology is important to resist censorship It's important to retain culture too, people who legally own movies, music, etc can't be trusted to actually

> P2P technology is important to resist censorship It's important to retain culture too, people who legally own movies, music, etc can't be trusted to actually archive or distribute them properly. Look how many artistically important movies are not really available anymore and the only old dvd copies floating around are either badly cropped, badly graded, cut or have poor subtitling/sound. The only people who can be trusted to look after these artworks are people doing it out of passion rather than profits. In 10 years the teenagers growing up today are going to have a cultural blackhole as a lot of the more unusual music they enjoyed no longer exists anywhere online because it was all on spotify, YouTube or soundcloud and they might have gone out of business, not retained it or the creators themselves lost it or moved on.

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isolli 6y ago
Music can also be lost to fire, as it was in 2008 [0] (with Universal studios originally downplaying the loss until a 2019 New York Times article revealed its full extent). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire
- arka2147483647 6y ago
  The point is that if everything is in a single giant "library", and it burns down, then everything is losf forever. But if there are copies here and there, there is much more chance that at least some will survive the centuries. Eg, single point of failure vs redundancy
  - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
    >The point is that if everything is in a single giant "library", and it burns down, then everything is losf forever. What.cd suddenly comes to mind...
    - selectodude 6y ago
      That was so tragic.
- salmo 6y ago
  Now if P2P could only go back in time and get the original Beach Boy's Smile or MBV's Loveless followup finished and released.
hosteur 6y ago
> Look how many artistically important movies are not really available anymore Yeah like for example the moon landing videos that NASA deleted by accident. Had they been freely available in hires digitized copies we would still have them. But alas we only have low res copies.
- duskwuff 6y ago
  > Yeah like for example the moon landing videos that NASA deleted by accident. Had they been freely available in hires digitized copies we would still have them. The moon landing videos were made in 1969, and are believed to have been erased in the early 1980s. There was no technology at the time to digitize those videos, nor any compact data formats to store them in, nor users with spare storage for that data.
  - jandrese 6y ago
    While true, it doesn't invalidate the grandparent's point. The tapes were easy to lose because they were not replicated.
    - duskwuff 6y ago
      And they were not replicated at the time because this data wasn't considered valuable, and on a larger scale, because there was not a culture of data preservation at NASA. (It's not clear that they had the ability to replicate this data, anyway -- the reason it was lost was that they needed to reuse the magnetic tapes for data from another project!)
      - jandrese 6y ago
        That's why allowing the data to be replicated is so important if you care about preservation. It only takes a few happy mutants who think some otherwise boring data might be interesting and keeping a copy for themselves.
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powersnail 6y ago
P2P is actually mostly preserving movies. I find it to not be an abundant resource for old music recordings/lives. I've downloaded quite a number of really old live performance of classical music from YouTube, that are practically nowhere else to be found. No pirate version can be found, private bay or the likes. At least for now, YouTube is a gain in preserving and distributing old and unusual content, not a loss, in the world of classical music. I don't know what happens it one day it ceases to exist, but I imagine enough people would have saved copies of those videos to re-upload to whatever video site replaces YouTube.
carstenhag 6y ago
Your "in 10 years the teenagers..." part applies even today already. A German rapper I know had released a mixtape 3-4 years ago, but as he had no rights to the beats it was only a mediafire zip upload... Not even he has the zip or any of the songs, as the files got deleted, managers changed and so on. And this was no mediocre stuff, I loved it!

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isolli 6y ago

Music can also be lost to fire, as it was in 2008 [0] (with Universal studios originally downplaying the loss until a 2019 New York Times article revealed its full extent). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire

arka2147483647 6y ago
The point is that if everything is in a single giant "library", and it burns down, then everything is losf forever. But if there are copies here and there, there is much more chance that at least some will survive the centuries. Eg, single point of failure vs redundancy
- whywhywhywhy 6y ago
  >The point is that if everything is in a single giant "library", and it burns down, then everything is losf forever. What.cd suddenly comes to mind...
  - selectodude 6y ago
    That was so tragic.
salmo 6y ago
Now if P2P could only go back in time and get the original Beach Boy's Smile or MBV's Loveless followup finished and released.

hosteur 6y ago

> Look how many artistically important movies are not really available anymore Yeah like for example the moon landing videos that NASA deleted by accident. Had they been freely available in hires digitized copies we would still have them. But alas we only have low res copies.

duskwuff 6y ago
> Yeah like for example the moon landing videos that NASA deleted by accident. Had they been freely available in hires digitized copies we would still have them. The moon landing videos were made in 1969, and are believed to have been erased in the early 1980s. There was no technology at the time to digitize those videos, nor any compact data formats to store them in, nor users with spare storage for that data.
- jandrese 6y ago
  While true, it doesn't invalidate the grandparent's point. The tapes were easy to lose because they were not replicated.
  - duskwuff 6y ago
    And they were not replicated at the time because this data wasn't considered valuable, and on a larger scale, because there was not a culture of data preservation at NASA. (It's not clear that they had the ability to replicate this data, anyway -- the reason it was lost was that they needed to reuse the magnetic tapes for data from another project!)
    - jandrese 6y ago
      That's why allowing the data to be replicated is so important if you care about preservation. It only takes a few happy mutants who think some otherwise boring data might be interesting and keeping a copy for themselves.
      - 6y ago

powersnail 6y ago

P2P is actually mostly preserving movies. I find it to not be an abundant resource for old music recordings/lives. I've downloaded quite a number of really old live performance of classical music from YouTube, that are practically nowhere else to be found. No pirate version can be found, private bay or the likes. At least for now, YouTube is a gain in preserving and distributing old and unusual content, not a loss, in the world of classical music. I don't know what happens it one day it ceases to exist, but I imagine enough people would have saved copies of those videos to re-upload to whatever video site replaces YouTube.

carstenhag 6y ago

Your "in 10 years the teenagers..." part applies even today already. A German rapper I know had released a mixtape 3-4 years ago, but as he had no rights to the beats it was only a mediafire zip upload... Not even he has the zip or any of the songs, as the files got deleted, managers changed and so on. And this was no mediocre stuff, I loved it!