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What do you consider a fair amount of carbs? From what I remember, endurance athletes could stay in ketosis with around 100g of carbs daily, however this is not

What do you consider a fair amount of carbs? From what I remember, endurance athletes could stay in ketosis with around 100g of carbs daily, however this is not relatable for an average person. Another important fact is that on zero-carb diet with protein intake on athletic level (2-2.5g/bw_kg) you are in a moderate ketosis because of gluconeogenesis, which is a good thing according to Paul Saladino. On the impossibility of zero-carb in modern life I have to say that it is completely false. I am on a carnivore diet myself now and eat close to none carbohydrates and I find it much more easy and sustainable than doing clean omnivore diet. I just got into habit of preparing my food based on muscle and organ meat at home and bring it with myself to work or wherever I'm going. Even if I didn't I can get cheese or some nuts from the shop sporadically. Dramatically lowered hunger cravings and stable levels of energy help a lot.

pizza234 6y ago
> On the impossibility of zero-carb in modern life I have to say that it is completely false It's not impossible in a strict sense of course. One essentially removes food (in the enjoyment sense) from life; meat/nuts only (or "pretty much only") is appealing in the short term, then it becomes limiting/disgusting. I did keto for a short term. If it works for you good, certainly, but it puts a lot of pressure, and it become the "fighting gravity" class of pressure. At some point one will stop, and balloon. I'm curious also, how old are you and how long have you been following this diet.
- ISaIF73 6y ago
  > One essentially removes food (in the enjoyment sense) from life Absolutely false for me. Personally I enjoy no food more than a big steak. Definitely there is more of the satiation factor than in plant based meal, especially in something like steak with liver mincemeat. Ton of nutriets. > I'm curious also, how old are you and how long have you been following this diet. 6 month carnivorish keto with some nuts, 4 months pretty strict carnivore (garlic and onion added to meat, sometimes coffee, that's it)
  - meowzero 6y ago
    > 6 month carnivorish keto with some nuts, 4 months pretty strict carnivore (garlic and onion added to meat, sometimes coffee, that's it) To be pedantic, including onions, nuts, or garlic isn’t the carnivore diet. Onion especially has a ton of sugar. So by your case, you kinda proved OP’s point about the difficulty of eliminating carbs in everyday life.
    - ISaIF73 6y ago
      Onion has 9.3g carbs per 100g [1]. I add few small slices, no more than 1/4 average onion, so that ~30g of onion and 3g of carbs. Absolutely meaningless. I add that just for the taste and it is an amount that does not have any serious effect. I ate small but significant amount of nuts before, but not now so that's also not a factor now. You may consider that 99% carnivore diet and that's absolutely ok. Another thing is that carnivore diet is not vegan-like in its choice of food products. It's all about health benefits and adding minimal amounts of vegetables that someone has no problem with isn't a big deal. On carbs on carnivore: Honey is also considered as an animal product by most carnivore people and it has a lot of carbs obviosly. [1] https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2501/2 https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetabl...
itsoktocry 6y ago
>Even if I didn't I can get cheese or some nuts from the shop sporadically What nuts are you eating that have zero carbs? Almonds, pecans, walnuts all have a few grams of carbs per serving, even after netting out fibre.
- ISaIF73 6y ago
  That is a sporadic thing when I have no other food available. It's not pure zero-carb then and that's carnivorish not strict carnivore diet, however the impact of such very sporadic deviation is unsignificant.

pizza234 6y ago

> On the impossibility of zero-carb in modern life I have to say that it is completely false It's not impossible in a strict sense of course. One essentially removes food (in the enjoyment sense) from life; meat/nuts only (or "pretty much only") is appealing in the short term, then it becomes limiting/disgusting. I did keto for a short term. If it works for you good, certainly, but it puts a lot of pressure, and it become the "fighting gravity" class of pressure. At some point one will stop, and balloon. I'm curious also, how old are you and how long have you been following this diet.

ISaIF73 6y ago
> One essentially removes food (in the enjoyment sense) from life Absolutely false for me. Personally I enjoy no food more than a big steak. Definitely there is more of the satiation factor than in plant based meal, especially in something like steak with liver mincemeat. Ton of nutriets. > I'm curious also, how old are you and how long have you been following this diet. 6 month carnivorish keto with some nuts, 4 months pretty strict carnivore (garlic and onion added to meat, sometimes coffee, that's it)
- meowzero 6y ago
  > 6 month carnivorish keto with some nuts, 4 months pretty strict carnivore (garlic and onion added to meat, sometimes coffee, that's it) To be pedantic, including onions, nuts, or garlic isn’t the carnivore diet. Onion especially has a ton of sugar. So by your case, you kinda proved OP’s point about the difficulty of eliminating carbs in everyday life.
  - ISaIF73 6y ago
    Onion has 9.3g carbs per 100g [1]. I add few small slices, no more than 1/4 average onion, so that ~30g of onion and 3g of carbs. Absolutely meaningless. I add that just for the taste and it is an amount that does not have any serious effect. I ate small but significant amount of nuts before, but not now so that's also not a factor now. You may consider that 99% carnivore diet and that's absolutely ok. Another thing is that carnivore diet is not vegan-like in its choice of food products. It's all about health benefits and adding minimal amounts of vegetables that someone has no problem with isn't a big deal. On carbs on carnivore: Honey is also considered as an animal product by most carnivore people and it has a lot of carbs obviosly. [1] https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2501/2 https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetabl...

itsoktocry 6y ago

>Even if I didn't I can get cheese or some nuts from the shop sporadically What nuts are you eating that have zero carbs? Almonds, pecans, walnuts all have a few grams of carbs per serving, even after netting out fibre.

ISaIF73 6y ago
That is a sporadic thing when I have no other food available. It's not pure zero-carb then and that's carnivorish not strict carnivore diet, however the impact of such very sporadic deviation is unsignificant.