I think we also need to realize the difference between a "pretty" interface and a functional one. I think it's possible to have something that's not ugly and y

I think we also need to realize the difference between a "pretty" interface and a functional one. I think it's possible to have something that's not ugly and yet not bloated to hell. It just depends on actually understanding UI design in a way that is universal to your audience. For instance, I doubt most people find pre-XP windows "Ugly", if anything a lot of us yearn for that era of interface.