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>Yes, 2019. With Zoom having a billboard at SJC and plenty of other airports, not to mention every other phone interview for a software engineering role being d

by serf 6y ago

>Yes, 2019. With Zoom having a billboard at SJC and plenty of other airports, not to mention every other phone interview for a software engineering role being done over Zoom. Would you rather he bluffed and said "Oh yeah, Zoom.." and rattled off some reasons, rather than expressing a curiosity and willingness to listen to someone about it? No one listens to RMS because they think he's the most hip person around -- they listen to him because occasionally he spouts out some wisdom that, on average, is worth listening to.

dwohnitmok 6y ago
Almost certainly parent isn't talking about > I never heard of that. What does it do? I'm pretty sure they're talking about the dismissal on the following line (which on the surface is the opposite of curiosity, although you can make the argument that paired with his question on the previous line it's more a statement about his confidence in his own familiarity with the field of software): > I would guess that since I never head about it then it isn't important enough to mention.
- young_unixer 6y ago
  Let's agree that he has to draw the line at some point, otherwise the list of proprietary programs would be huge.
  - pwdisswordfish4 6y ago
    Stop intentionally ignoring the thrust of the argument. Let's agree that Stallman does have to draw a line. Let's also acknowledge that Zoom is included on this side of the line.
cnst 6y ago
I was honestly puzzled he's never heard of it; because I know he flies a lot, and surely he must have seen at least one of their billboards, unless he was specifically avoiding all the billboards (I guess he might). Also, that's not curiosity, either. He completely ignored the rest of the email where I've already explained the context for my concern (see my sibling reply in this thread), and dismissed the whole thing as not being that important; and without bothering to investigate on his own, either. If you look at what he and his assistants write about it, they still don't get what people use Zoom for. I'd never join any Zoom meeting period, unless they support joining without installing any third-party software, but the offers I get are for the interviews, not for participating in a vague "activity". It's usually not a big deal to decline; and do a phone screen instead; with one of the CoderPad services that let you write the code, and share the text of the code, through the browser.

by serf 6y ago

dwohnitmok 6y ago

Almost certainly parent isn't talking about > I never heard of that. What does it do? I'm pretty sure they're talking about the dismissal on the following line (which on the surface is the opposite of curiosity, although you can make the argument that paired with his question on the previous line it's more a statement about his confidence in his own familiarity with the field of software): > I would guess that since I never head about it then it isn't important enough to mention.

young_unixer 6y ago
Let's agree that he has to draw the line at some point, otherwise the list of proprietary programs would be huge.
- pwdisswordfish4 6y ago
  Stop intentionally ignoring the thrust of the argument. Let's agree that Stallman does have to draw a line. Let's also acknowledge that Zoom is included on this side of the line.

cnst 6y ago

I was honestly puzzled he's never heard of it; because I know he flies a lot, and surely he must have seen at least one of their billboards, unless he was specifically avoiding all the billboards (I guess he might). Also, that's not curiosity, either. He completely ignored the rest of the email where I've already explained the context for my concern (see my sibling reply in this thread), and dismissed the whole thing as not being that important; and without bothering to investigate on his own, either. If you look at what he and his assistants write about it, they still don't get what people use Zoom for. I'd never join any Zoom meeting period, unless they support joining without installing any third-party software, but the offers I get are for the interviews, not for participating in a vague "activity". It's usually not a big deal to decline; and do a phone screen instead; with one of the CoderPad services that let you write the code, and share the text of the code, through the browser.