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To me that’s a bit like complaining to HR. They’re on the side of protecting the company. If you get protected too, it’s just a happy accident. What’s needed i

To me that’s a bit like complaining to HR. They’re on the side of protecting the company. If you get protected too, it’s just a happy accident. What’s needed is something completely independent like: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garda_S%C3%ADochána_Ombudsman_Commission https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garda_S%C3%ADochána_Ombudsma...

JadeNB 6y ago
> To me that’s a bit like complaining to HR. They’re on the side of protecting the company. If you get protected too, it’s just a happy accident. Agreed completely. I meant to respond to this from my parent (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24358059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24358059): > My own country has lots of the same issues, but at least it is a separate branch of police which investigates abuse, not a colleague who will have to deal with the backlash if they report dirty acts. I meant to point out that an internal-affairs branch is still part of the police, even if it's nominally a separate branch; and, as such, as you put it very well, their job is to protect the police, not you.
- on_and_off 6y ago
  that's a good point and I agree entirely. Actually I agree completely, that's pretty much the problem that my home country (France) has. "Police des polices" is separate, but it still falls under the authority of the interior ministry, who also helms the police. As a result, its mission is very often perverted and they get pressure from the ministry in order to get the result the interior minister wants. So close .. take the same organization with a different head (somebody completely independent from the interior minister) and that would be great.
bigiain 6y ago
"I propose a coalition of organised crime, white collar criminals, and recreational drug users (excluding, of course, any members of those groups who are currently or have previously served as LEO) - to form a tribunal and rotating panel to oversee and investigate police misconduct."
- drdeca 6y ago
  What/who is this a quote from?
  - bigiain 6y ago
    Me, in my most sarcastic voice...
    - drdeca 6y ago
      oops, my bad

JadeNB 6y ago

> To me that’s a bit like complaining to HR. They’re on the side of protecting the company. If you get protected too, it’s just a happy accident. Agreed completely. I meant to respond to this from my parent (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24358059 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24358059): > My own country has lots of the same issues, but at least it is a separate branch of police which investigates abuse, not a colleague who will have to deal with the backlash if they report dirty acts. I meant to point out that an internal-affairs branch is still part of the police, even if it's nominally a separate branch; and, as such, as you put it very well, their job is to protect the police, not you.

on_and_off 6y ago
that's a good point and I agree entirely. Actually I agree completely, that's pretty much the problem that my home country (France) has. "Police des polices" is separate, but it still falls under the authority of the interior ministry, who also helms the police. As a result, its mission is very often perverted and they get pressure from the ministry in order to get the result the interior minister wants. So close .. take the same organization with a different head (somebody completely independent from the interior minister) and that would be great.

bigiain 6y ago

"I propose a coalition of organised crime, white collar criminals, and recreational drug users (excluding, of course, any members of those groups who are currently or have previously served as LEO) - to form a tribunal and rotating panel to oversee and investigate police misconduct."

drdeca 6y ago
What/who is this a quote from?
- bigiain 6y ago
  Me, in my most sarcastic voice...
  - drdeca 6y ago
    oops, my bad