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>Nitpick, the constitution isn't a founding document. There was that whole Articles of Confederation thing. Let's totally 'nitpick' because the structure that
by heimatau 6y ago
>Nitpick, the constitution isn't a founding document. There was that whole Articles of Confederation thing.
Let's totally 'nitpick' because the structure that our entire government is built upon the Constitution. "The first, The Articles of Confederation, was in effect from March 1, 1781, when Maryland ratified it. The second, The Constitution, replaced the Articles when it was ratified by New Hampshire on June 21, 1788." [1]
If this 7 year gap is something that's causing you issues, just know that today that we aren't judged by 1900 laws. We're judged by the living document called the Constitution, as it 'replaced the Articles when it was ratified', and auxiliary laws via State/Local govts. But the backbone is the Constitution.
>Congress isn't the final authority of if laws are constitutional or not. The courts are.
In theory, sure. But Dred Scott said one thing (no Black person is free, even in the North) and the people in the North said something else with their 2nd amendment rights.
>What you're proposing is essentially a oligarchy lead by the Supreme Court.
Actually I'm not. A law can (and in many cases, already does) include what appropriate punishments should be for a law that is broken.
> There is no social contract based on the constitution. It's just that enough people agree that it has value, so it does. That's not a social contract. No regular people voted on the Constitution. You don't have the ability to reject it if you don't agree with it.
These statements are entirely false.
1) Your first sentence and your second sentence are contradicting each other. ~'no social contract' vs ~'what a social contract is'.
2) As for the latter two sentences. We vote everyday with our citizenship. You either agree to that living document or you don't by your allegiance. No one is forcing you to be a US citizen ruled by Constitution, namely after an adult legal age. Constitution is just American's structure, it can be changed but within it's already given framework. The country could become a Communist rule of law, if it got ratified, whether an individual liked it or not.
[1] - https://www.usconstitution.net/constconart.html https://www.usconstitution.net/constconart.html
- shkkmo 6y ago> No one is forcing you to be a US citizen ruled by Constitution, namely after an adult legal age. Rejecting US citizenship is difficult and costly, this places it practically out of reach of most US citizens
- heimatau 6y ago> Rejecting US citizenship is difficult and costly Freedom isn't free.
- munk-a 6y agoNo the US government is just unreasonably burdensome about releasing their snooping privileges on you. As an ex-pat the amount of demands the US puts on me is quite extreme compared to some of my fellow ex-pat coworkers from Mexico, Australia and Brazil. The US demands ongoing duplication of information which they already have access to due to international income sharing laws and has an expectation for a portion of the income I earn entirely overseas. The only thing I get in return is the ability to "reactivate" my citizenship at will, but that's only because it costs about 7k to actually revoke your citizenship and your taxes are going to get reeeeeally closely audited for any missing back-taxes.
- king_magic 6y agoTIL, as a US citizen, I’m apparently not free!
- heimatau 6y agoBetter late than never to learn.
- king_magic 6y agoIt’s clearly sarcasm.
- heimatau 6y agoYes but I felt it was wise of me to talk to readers whom...might've thought you were serious. :)
- Igelau 6y ago> We vote everyday with our citizenship. You either agree to that living document or you don't by your allegiance. No one is forcing you to be a US citizen You say that like anyone can just up and walk away. Where are you going to go? The borders are closed. If they weren't, they're going to want your tax money for a while, and if you don't like that you'll be deported and imprisoned. Disagree with any of that enough at any stage and your citizenship will be enforced with violence and death if need be.