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Merkel demands answers from Putin over Navalny's attempted murder

56 points by silasrude 6y ago

rasz 6y ago
While the other hand is happily building Putins pipeline despite almost whole EU opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Nord_Stream_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Nord_Stream_2
- coolspot 6y ago
  What else Germany can do if they shut down and demonized all nuclear energy? Winters are cold and they don’t want to freeze to death as their grandfathers in 1941 (https://archive.is/csslJ https://archive.is/csslJ). They can’t burn coal for political reasons (green party), there is no enough solar generation, especially under winter sun, so they burn natural gas, which is cleanest fossil fuel.
  - foxyv 6y ago
    I wonder if they would be interested in NuScale's new micro reactors. No more of the PWRs that they are scared shirtless about but they don't have to burn half the oil in the world to stay warm.
- lowdose 6y ago
  Yes, it's posture for the populace. The moment the West invaded Iraq and Afghanistan we lost all moral high ground to make a judgement about what people are allowed to do beyond the geographic area they control. Especially since that murder execution style on Osama Bin Laden. The Whole West World is compromised because none of our institutions prevented this nor were the guilty war criminals prosecuted.
simonblack 6y ago
I'd demand answers too. How come a 'military grade' nerve agent that should be capable of killing hundreds almost instantly is such a failure that it hardly works at all?
- Wald76 6y ago
  It’s interesting that (a) a military grade nerve agent was used, (b) the dosage given was sub-lethal, and (c) Putin had no qualms about releasing Navalny to German care. Makes you wonder if this was all about sending a message.
  - Waterluvian 6y ago
    Putin wants dissenters to be on notice. He can reach you and it will be painful. If he just outright killed the man the news cycle probably would have moved on a while ago. I imagine he is delighted by how this is all going.
  - anniefrost 6y ago
    The problem is who(s) is the one sending message. Putin or someone who doesn't like Putin sitting on his office.
    - Nginx487 6y ago
      People who don't like Putin won't stay long in the office/alive. He's a KGB agent, paranoid about keeping his power, I'm quite sure all activities of Kremlin officials receive his approval someway.
sthnblllII 6y ago
Putin didn’t “demand answers” when the chairwoman of the Democratic party revealed Hillary Clinton was using the DNC to launder money to her campaign in violation of contribution limits set by law? No he didn’t. The US and European governments in its orbit should stop meddling in and creating internal conflicts in other states like Ukraine Venezuela and Syria. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-b... Everything about this guy is suspicious. > Navalny received a scholarship to the Yale World Fellows program at Yale University in 2010. Imagine an American politician received a scholarship to study at a Russian university. I think such a politician would be accused of being a quisling immediately and the FBI would accuse him of lying to put him away like they did to General Flynn. > With regard to Russia's annexation of Crimea, Navalny shortly after the annexation urged further sanctions against officials and businessmen linked to Putin and proposed a sanctions list for Western countries Wow. Here he’s calling for foreign governments to intervene to attack his political opponents. If Trump were to call on Putin to sanction Biden the US media would be brandishing pitch forks on live TV. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny I’m so sick of US imperialism.
- coreypreston 6y ago
  Really? This is what you come to comment with? Off topic and unrelated?
  - rumanator 6y ago
    The account you've replied to is 19 days old. Not the most subtle sock puppet.
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Nginx487 6y ago
I'm sure, civilized world can demand answers from Kim Jong Un about working camps in his country, or Xi Jinping about concentration camps for Uighurs with the same probability of success. Dictators don't care what people outside their dictatorship think and do, unless it possesses direct threat to their power. Russia has nukes and seems do not care about sanctions (I mean, starving people without access to medications is not a reason to care for Putin), so Merkel would unlikely receive any explanation from Putin, he's to busy posing on a horse with a naked torso for Western magazines.
- jariel 6y ago
  Russia would care tremendously if their resources were sanctioned.
- anniefrost 6y ago
  I'm sure the civilized world could also answer about how they monitor everyone, how they helped middle east, and how they pressured every country to submit to their demands.

56 points by silasrude 6y ago

rasz 6y ago

While the other hand is happily building Putins pipeline despite almost whole EU opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Nord_Stream_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream#Nord_Stream_2

coolspot 6y ago
What else Germany can do if they shut down and demonized all nuclear energy? Winters are cold and they don’t want to freeze to death as their grandfathers in 1941 (https://archive.is/csslJ https://archive.is/csslJ). They can’t burn coal for political reasons (green party), there is no enough solar generation, especially under winter sun, so they burn natural gas, which is cleanest fossil fuel.
- foxyv 6y ago
  I wonder if they would be interested in NuScale's new micro reactors. No more of the PWRs that they are scared shirtless about but they don't have to burn half the oil in the world to stay warm.
lowdose 6y ago
Yes, it's posture for the populace. The moment the West invaded Iraq and Afghanistan we lost all moral high ground to make a judgement about what people are allowed to do beyond the geographic area they control. Especially since that murder execution style on Osama Bin Laden. The Whole West World is compromised because none of our institutions prevented this nor were the guilty war criminals prosecuted.

simonblack 6y ago

I'd demand answers too. How come a 'military grade' nerve agent that should be capable of killing hundreds almost instantly is such a failure that it hardly works at all?

Wald76 6y ago
It’s interesting that (a) a military grade nerve agent was used, (b) the dosage given was sub-lethal, and (c) Putin had no qualms about releasing Navalny to German care. Makes you wonder if this was all about sending a message.
- Waterluvian 6y ago
  Putin wants dissenters to be on notice. He can reach you and it will be painful. If he just outright killed the man the news cycle probably would have moved on a while ago. I imagine he is delighted by how this is all going.
- anniefrost 6y ago
  The problem is who(s) is the one sending message. Putin or someone who doesn't like Putin sitting on his office.
  - Nginx487 6y ago
    People who don't like Putin won't stay long in the office/alive. He's a KGB agent, paranoid about keeping his power, I'm quite sure all activities of Kremlin officials receive his approval someway.

sthnblllII 6y ago

Putin didn’t “demand answers” when the chairwoman of the Democratic party revealed Hillary Clinton was using the DNC to launder money to her campaign in violation of contribution limits set by law? No he didn’t. The US and European governments in its orbit should stop meddling in and creating internal conflicts in other states like Ukraine Venezuela and Syria. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-b... Everything about this guy is suspicious. > Navalny received a scholarship to the Yale World Fellows program at Yale University in 2010. Imagine an American politician received a scholarship to study at a Russian university. I think such a politician would be accused of being a quisling immediately and the FBI would accuse him of lying to put him away like they did to General Flynn. > With regard to Russia's annexation of Crimea, Navalny shortly after the annexation urged further sanctions against officials and businessmen linked to Putin and proposed a sanctions list for Western countries Wow. Here he’s calling for foreign governments to intervene to attack his political opponents. If Trump were to call on Putin to sanction Biden the US media would be brandishing pitch forks on live TV. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny I’m so sick of US imperialism.

coreypreston 6y ago
Really? This is what you come to comment with? Off topic and unrelated?
- rumanator 6y ago
  The account you've replied to is 19 days old. Not the most subtle sock puppet.

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Nginx487 6y ago

I'm sure, civilized world can demand answers from Kim Jong Un about working camps in his country, or Xi Jinping about concentration camps for Uighurs with the same probability of success. Dictators don't care what people outside their dictatorship think and do, unless it possesses direct threat to their power. Russia has nukes and seems do not care about sanctions (I mean, starving people without access to medications is not a reason to care for Putin), so Merkel would unlikely receive any explanation from Putin, he's to busy posing on a horse with a naked torso for Western magazines.

jariel 6y ago
Russia would care tremendously if their resources were sanctioned.
anniefrost 6y ago
I'm sure the civilized world could also answer about how they monitor everyone, how they helped middle east, and how they pressured every country to submit to their demands.