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Guy from Russia here. Not an expert, but I feel the pain when my country looks so negative in the news. First, I wish Alexey fast recovery. Second, Alexey was

by itroot 6y ago

Guy from Russia here. Not an expert, but I feel the pain when my country looks so negative in the news. First, I wish Alexey fast recovery. Second, Alexey wasn't a popular politic figure in past time, I believe that his peak of popularity was in 2013-2015. Third, I think no one here is actually benefiting from this tragic event... the whole story just seems quite strange. Frankly, there a lot of more simple approaches that can kill a man - no need to use sophisticated things like chemical weapons (which actually doesn't work as intended). I hope that this story will be more clear pretty soon.

lightgreen 6y ago
> I feel the pain when my country looks so negative in the news. I'm from Russia, and I feel pain when people mix my country and my my country corrupt and criminal government.
- tanyatik 6y ago
  > I'm from Russia, and I feel pain when people mix my country and my my country corrupt and criminal government +1000 - it often feels that people geniunely don't see any difference.
  - lazyjones 6y ago
    Strange when it often comes from people who, when asked about their own country, have the same opinion about it.
stefantalpalaru 6y ago
> I hope that this story will be more clear pretty soon. Don't hold your breath. And even if something challenges the narrative, it might remain under the radar. How many people have heard about this surprising turn of events in the Yushchenko poisoning case? "University professor Lothar Wicke lost his job as clinical director at the Rudolfinerhaus Clinic amid controversy over claims which emerged during the Ukrainian election campaign that opposition candidate Victor Yushchenko had been poisoned. Wicke clashed with management over the clinic’s involvement in the media campaign about Yushchenko’s condition, which, according to Wicke, was billed as poisoning even before it had been diagnosed." - https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140673605663544.pdf https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS014067360...
nullifidian 6y ago
>Alexey wasn't a popular politic figure in past time, I believe that his peak of popularity was in 2013-2015. He was banned from being a politician. Banned from media with any kind of reach, banned from elections. And we don't know how popular or not he actually is -- in a country like Russia accuracy of polling, any kind of statistics that is threatening to the dictator is one of the first victims. >Third, I think no one here is actually benefiting from this tragic event... A ridiculous statement. It's a signal to those who oppose Putin. In the light of what is happening in Belarus the signal is pretty clear -- Putin won't tolerate any real opposition, and he will not allow the situation to deteriorate to the level where he's actually threatened. "If you are willing to oppose Putin we will poison you with invisible deadly substances, and state doctors whose careers completely depend on their superiors won't treat you" is what it conveys. The goal is to have a chilling effect on the opposition's activities. >simple approaches Simple approaches are not as good for conveying a message. Using Chechens from Kadyrov's personal guard(in case of Nemtsov), expensive and hard to obtain isotope(in case of Litvinenko), or chemical warfare agents (in cases of Kara-Murza, Verzilov, Navalny, Skripal) indicates that's it's a state poisoning/killing, something only the state can do. It asks those who are not yet poisoned a question "Are you willing to fight the state/regime who's willing to kill you, make you disabled? It's rather surprising that the regime doesn't yet target family members. Although I'm not completely up to date on the subject. Maybe it already does.
lazyjones 6y ago
> no one here is actually benefiting from this tragic event The opponents of Nord Stream 2 are clearly benefiting from it. People should ask themselves why he was flown to Germany of all places. People should generally ask more questions and try to see behind all the quick finger-pointing.
amai 6y ago
Navalny wasn't popular? I have seen Russian people cry, when they heard about the assassination attempt on him. Here are some videos of the many videos from his anti-corruption campaign that made him popular and even a hero in the eyes of many Russians: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaika_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaika_(film) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Is_Not_Dimon_to_You https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Is_Not_Dimon_to_You - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQZr2NgKPiU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQZr2NgKPiU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjY3IMXMmVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjY3IMXMmVE For more, see - https://fbk.info/english/english/ https://fbk.info/english/english/ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Corruption_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Corruption_Foundation

by itroot 6y ago

lightgreen 6y ago

> I feel the pain when my country looks so negative in the news. I'm from Russia, and I feel pain when people mix my country and my my country corrupt and criminal government.

tanyatik 6y ago
> I'm from Russia, and I feel pain when people mix my country and my my country corrupt and criminal government +1000 - it often feels that people geniunely don't see any difference.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  Strange when it often comes from people who, when asked about their own country, have the same opinion about it.

stefantalpalaru 6y ago

> I hope that this story will be more clear pretty soon. Don't hold your breath. And even if something challenges the narrative, it might remain under the radar. How many people have heard about this surprising turn of events in the Yushchenko poisoning case? "University professor Lothar Wicke lost his job as clinical director at the Rudolfinerhaus Clinic amid controversy over claims which emerged during the Ukrainian election campaign that opposition candidate Victor Yushchenko had been poisoned. Wicke clashed with management over the clinic’s involvement in the media campaign about Yushchenko’s condition, which, according to Wicke, was billed as poisoning even before it had been diagnosed." - https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140673605663544.pdf https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS014067360...

nullifidian 6y ago

>Alexey wasn't a popular politic figure in past time, I believe that his peak of popularity was in 2013-2015. He was banned from being a politician. Banned from media with any kind of reach, banned from elections. And we don't know how popular or not he actually is -- in a country like Russia accuracy of polling, any kind of statistics that is threatening to the dictator is one of the first victims. >Third, I think no one here is actually benefiting from this tragic event... A ridiculous statement. It's a signal to those who oppose Putin. In the light of what is happening in Belarus the signal is pretty clear -- Putin won't tolerate any real opposition, and he will not allow the situation to deteriorate to the level where he's actually threatened. "If you are willing to oppose Putin we will poison you with invisible deadly substances, and state doctors whose careers completely depend on their superiors won't treat you" is what it conveys. The goal is to have a chilling effect on the opposition's activities. >simple approaches Simple approaches are not as good for conveying a message. Using Chechens from Kadyrov's personal guard(in case of Nemtsov), expensive and hard to obtain isotope(in case of Litvinenko), or chemical warfare agents (in cases of Kara-Murza, Verzilov, Navalny, Skripal) indicates that's it's a state poisoning/killing, something only the state can do. It asks those who are not yet poisoned a question "Are you willing to fight the state/regime who's willing to kill you, make you disabled? It's rather surprising that the regime doesn't yet target family members. Although I'm not completely up to date on the subject. Maybe it already does.

lazyjones 6y ago

> no one here is actually benefiting from this tragic event The opponents of Nord Stream 2 are clearly benefiting from it. People should ask themselves why he was flown to Germany of all places. People should generally ask more questions and try to see behind all the quick finger-pointing.

amai 6y ago

Navalny wasn't popular? I have seen Russian people cry, when they heard about the assassination attempt on him. Here are some videos of the many videos from his anti-corruption campaign that made him popular and even a hero in the eyes of many Russians: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaika_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaika_(film) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Is_Not_Dimon_to_You https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Is_Not_Dimon_to_You - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQZr2NgKPiU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQZr2NgKPiU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjY3IMXMmVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjY3IMXMmVE For more, see - https://fbk.info/english/english/ https://fbk.info/english/english/ - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Corruption_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Corruption_Foundation