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> So if your country doesn't have an obvious minority population that has systemically been kept behind, you're not going to see as much police corruption. I d

> So if your country doesn't have an obvious minority population that has systemically been kept behind, you're not going to see as much police corruption. I don't buy this. There are plenty of ethnically homogeneous countries that also has rampant police corruption (e.g. in Eastern Europe), and there are tons of other parameters that affect police corruption overall. We can't single out presence of minorities as a factor.

mcguire 6y ago
I believe the key word there is "see". Without obvious targets, from the outside all you see is everyday activities, even if that includes bribes and preferences, because that is how it's always treated from the inside. On the other hand, you can always find a disliked minority somewhere. https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/is-england-fairer-2016-most-disadvantaged-groups-gypsies-travellers-roma.pdf https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/is-e...
samatman 6y ago
hmm, when I hear "Eastern Europe", I don't think "ethnically homogeneous", I think "substantial Roma minority". I'm quite confident the police don't treat them particularly well, either.
- gostsamo 6y ago
  You have no idea. Brown lives does not matter in Eastern Europe. Only thing that saves their lives is that gun ownership is not popular and cops cannot claim that they felt threatened. Beatings though...
- acituan 6y ago
  > hmm, when I hear "Eastern Europe", I don't think "ethnically homogeneous", I think "substantial Roma minority". What first comes to our minds doesn't constitute data, and is prone to create availability bias. Percentage of Roma for several Eastern European countries are; Bosnia And Herzegovina: 0.36% (2013), Serbia 2.1% (2011), Macedonia 2.7% (2002), Albania 0.6% (2011), Croatia 0.4% (2011), Ukraine 0.3% (2001). There is no substantial Roma minority, in fact Roma is usually one of the smallest among other minorities in these countries.
  - samatman 6y ago
    For several more: Bulgaria: 10.3%, Romania: 8.3%, Slovakia, 9.2%. This same source has Serbia's percentage as 8.2%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people#Contemporary_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people#Contemporary_iss... I would call these numbers substantial. Your mileage may vary.
    - acituan 6y ago
      I’ve picked my numbers from each of these countries’ censuses, whereas your source claims an estimate, and I cannot verify their methodology because source of that table takes me to an unrelated telegraph.co.uk article (likely a bug in the wikipedia article). Either way, if the OPs hypothesis is true, we should see a change in corruption levels with minority percentages. I’m not an expert in Eastern European criminology, but I highly doubt that is the case. There might as well be Eastern European countries with substantial Roma population, for some definition of “substantial”, but that doesn’t change my original point that high cultural homogeniety and high police corruption definiely does co-occur.

mcguire 6y ago

I believe the key word there is "see". Without obvious targets, from the outside all you see is everyday activities, even if that includes bribes and preferences, because that is how it's always treated from the inside. On the other hand, you can always find a disliked minority somewhere. https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/is-england-fairer-2016-most-disadvantaged-groups-gypsies-travellers-roma.pdf https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/is-e...

samatman 6y ago

hmm, when I hear "Eastern Europe", I don't think "ethnically homogeneous", I think "substantial Roma minority". I'm quite confident the police don't treat them particularly well, either.

gostsamo 6y ago
You have no idea. Brown lives does not matter in Eastern Europe. Only thing that saves their lives is that gun ownership is not popular and cops cannot claim that they felt threatened. Beatings though...
acituan 6y ago
> hmm, when I hear "Eastern Europe", I don't think "ethnically homogeneous", I think "substantial Roma minority". What first comes to our minds doesn't constitute data, and is prone to create availability bias. Percentage of Roma for several Eastern European countries are; Bosnia And Herzegovina: 0.36% (2013), Serbia 2.1% (2011), Macedonia 2.7% (2002), Albania 0.6% (2011), Croatia 0.4% (2011), Ukraine 0.3% (2001). There is no substantial Roma minority, in fact Roma is usually one of the smallest among other minorities in these countries.
- samatman 6y ago
  For several more: Bulgaria: 10.3%, Romania: 8.3%, Slovakia, 9.2%. This same source has Serbia's percentage as 8.2%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people#Contemporary_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people#Contemporary_iss... I would call these numbers substantial. Your mileage may vary.
  - acituan 6y ago
    I’ve picked my numbers from each of these countries’ censuses, whereas your source claims an estimate, and I cannot verify their methodology because source of that table takes me to an unrelated telegraph.co.uk article (likely a bug in the wikipedia article). Either way, if the OPs hypothesis is true, we should see a change in corruption levels with minority percentages. I’m not an expert in Eastern European criminology, but I highly doubt that is the case. There might as well be Eastern European countries with substantial Roma population, for some definition of “substantial”, but that doesn’t change my original point that high cultural homogeniety and high police corruption definiely does co-occur.