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Please cite your sources, exactly and to the point. Lockdown if executed in any way would have been abused by the people. People went on a rampage in *religiou

Please cite your sources, exactly and to the point. Lockdown if executed in any way would have been abused by the people. People went on a rampage in *religious ( Taliban linked)" gatherings, India didn't had much cases but these bunch of people made sure the cases spread. It's the people to he blamed for the lockdown spread

connectsnk 6y ago
Dont know why this is being downvoted. Sounds like a reasonable argument
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Asking people to cite their sources without presuming good faith is not very welcome here.
  - kranner 6y ago
    No, it's totally welcome AFAIK. But the comment made an inaccurate claim regarding the Taliban (which is not relevant in any way related to Covid infections in India) and neglected to provide any sources for their own claim while demanding sources from their parent.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      Asking people to cite their sources in good faith is very welcome. Asking people to cite their sources in bad faith is not welcome because commenting in bad faith is not welcome. It says so in the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - kranner 6y ago
        My comment was about asking for sources, which is not mentioned in the guidelines specifically. "Assume good faith" is about how comments are to be interpreted, presumably when there is ambiguity. I don't see that it applies in this case.
        saagarjha 6y ago
        > Please cite your sources, exactly and to the point. This isn't a polite way to ask someone to provide evidence for their claim, it's a demand dressed up as a courteous request with the implication that the comment it was replying to was not "exactly and to the point" and that the author has some sort of onus to improve the quality of their conversation. But in fact it's really just a lazy comment because it costs almost nothing to post and yet puts significantly higher burden on the other side, especially because it is picky. Doing this is a classic example of engaging in bad faith. (Good ways of asking for a citation might include "I don't agree with that, in fact I don't really think that I can find any examples of this occurring the way you have laid out. Would you mind giving some examples to show this actually happening?" This allows the author to provide sources without being left open to an immediate response that those sources are not "exactly and to the point" and is actually a deferential want rather than an imposition.)
        kranner 6y ago
        Fair enough, thanks for clarifying.
kranner 6y ago
The Aurangabad branch of the Bombay High Court has quashed cases against members of the Tablighi Jamaat (which parent seems to be confusing with the Taliban) and said that they were made "scapegoats". [1] In any case, large gatherings in both religious and political contexts have continued during lockdown. The lockdown has had no apparent success in reducing the rate of new infections. [2] [1] https://indianexpress.com/article/india/tablighi-jamaat-case-firs-bombay-hc-coronavirus-6565460/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/tablighi-jamaat-case... [2] https://www.ft.com/content/53d946cf-d4c2-4cc4-9411-1d5bb3566e83 https://www.ft.com/content/53d946cf-d4c2-4cc4-9411-1d5bb3566...
nsriv 6y ago
And what was the Ayodhya temple inauguration but a superspreader event endorsed by the highest political power in the land, disguised as a religious gathering?

connectsnk 6y ago

Dont know why this is being downvoted. Sounds like a reasonable argument

saagarjha 6y ago
Asking people to cite their sources without presuming good faith is not very welcome here.
- kranner 6y ago
  No, it's totally welcome AFAIK. But the comment made an inaccurate claim regarding the Taliban (which is not relevant in any way related to Covid infections in India) and neglected to provide any sources for their own claim while demanding sources from their parent.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    Asking people to cite their sources in good faith is very welcome. Asking people to cite their sources in bad faith is not welcome because commenting in bad faith is not welcome. It says so in the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - kranner 6y ago
      My comment was about asking for sources, which is not mentioned in the guidelines specifically. "Assume good faith" is about how comments are to be interpreted, presumably when there is ambiguity. I don't see that it applies in this case.
      - saagarjha 6y ago
        > Please cite your sources, exactly and to the point. This isn't a polite way to ask someone to provide evidence for their claim, it's a demand dressed up as a courteous request with the implication that the comment it was replying to was not "exactly and to the point" and that the author has some sort of onus to improve the quality of their conversation. But in fact it's really just a lazy comment because it costs almost nothing to post and yet puts significantly higher burden on the other side, especially because it is picky. Doing this is a classic example of engaging in bad faith. (Good ways of asking for a citation might include "I don't agree with that, in fact I don't really think that I can find any examples of this occurring the way you have laid out. Would you mind giving some examples to show this actually happening?" This allows the author to provide sources without being left open to an immediate response that those sources are not "exactly and to the point" and is actually a deferential want rather than an imposition.)
        kranner 6y ago
        Fair enough, thanks for clarifying.

kranner 6y ago

The Aurangabad branch of the Bombay High Court has quashed cases against members of the Tablighi Jamaat (which parent seems to be confusing with the Taliban) and said that they were made "scapegoats". [1] In any case, large gatherings in both religious and political contexts have continued during lockdown. The lockdown has had no apparent success in reducing the rate of new infections. [2] [1] https://indianexpress.com/article/india/tablighi-jamaat-case-firs-bombay-hc-coronavirus-6565460/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/tablighi-jamaat-case... [2] https://www.ft.com/content/53d946cf-d4c2-4cc4-9411-1d5bb3566e83 https://www.ft.com/content/53d946cf-d4c2-4cc4-9411-1d5bb3566...

nsriv 6y ago

And what was the Ayodhya temple inauguration but a superspreader event endorsed by the highest political power in the land, disguised as a religious gathering?