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> Of course it's dominated by poverty and a lack of good options for young black men ... In the United States poverty in Black communities is a consequence of

> Of course it's dominated by poverty and a lack of good options for young black men ... In the United States poverty in Black communities is a consequence of systemic racism, which continues to this day. W/the “drug war” examples further below, there’s a direct link between systemic racism and police behavior in black communities. Which admittedly cannot be blamed entirely on the police. But they certainly don’t help. Look at redlining in the 50s: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/371439/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article... Or the response to the opioid epidemic - prevalent in white communities - as opposed to how they responded to the crack/cocaine epidemic (prevalent in black communities) in the 80s. A medical response for white people - a criminal response for black people. https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/resources/article/criminal-justice-or-public-health-crack-cocaine-opioid-media-comparison https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/resources/article/crimina... Or the sentencing disparities between crack (prevalently used in poorer black communities) vs cocaine use/dealing. https://www.aclu.org/other/cracks-system-20-years-unjust-federal-crack-cocaine-law https://www.aclu.org/other/cracks-system-20-years-unjust-fed...

filoeleven 6y ago
There’s a great 18-minute video from Bob the Tomato, AKA Phil Vischer, which lays out the sordid history in broad detail. I like this in particular because he’s coming from an evangelical Christian background—a demographic that has 60% racial resentment, the highest in the country. https://youtu.be/AGUwcs9qJXY https://youtu.be/AGUwcs9qJXY https://religionnews.com/2020/06/09/racial-resentment-varies-widely-among-religious-groups/ https://religionnews.com/2020/06/09/racial-resentment-varies...
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
None of these apply today. There is no “systemic racism” in the US no matter how many woke allies are shamed into repeating it. Larry Elder has a better handle on it than the people who perpetuate this. https://youtu.be/TA3nInyPuFE https://youtu.be/TA3nInyPuFE
- adamsea 6y ago
  IMHO radio host Larry Elder is not a valid source to back up your claim that systemic racism in the US doesn’t exist. Let’s be clear. There is systemic racism within law enforcement and our system of justice in the US. It’s easy to go online and find reputable, fact-based sources verifying this; the Wikipedia article I linked to linked to some. It’s also easy to find reputable sources online which can help explain what systemic racism is and provide historical context, for those who may be unaware. Put simply; you are wrong, sir. “ Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    If you watched the video, you’d see he is not the source of my claims or his claims. You have not provided any examples of systemic racism that exist in the US today. Redlining is systemic racism, but it is illegal everywhere in the US. We are talking about whether it exists, not whether it has ever existed. Obviously there was horrible systemic racism in the past. I’m aware that there are a lot of (frankly, garbage) articles online that claim this, but the data says otherwise. Again, Larry Elder pretty thoroughly debunks this, but if you have a counter argument, I’d love to hear it.
    - adamsea 6y ago
      Police violence towards people of color and many aspects of the justice system (sentencing, etc) are examples of current day systemic racism. I know you are smart and capable enough to find sources / evidence about those things as it’s been a huge topic of conversation across the nation for the past few months. Any reputable newspaper. Any reputable university. The Federal Government itself. Or simply using your eyes and ears and heart and Occam’s razor. So, if you don’t want to see, acknowledge, or believe it, that’s on you. I’m not going to play the game where it’s my job to convince the skeptic that the sky is blue when they say “oh but it’s night right now and it sure doesn’t look blue to me.” If you want to share a link to a reputable source mentioned by Larry Elder I’ll take a quick look but I’m not watching a video. Also the idea that “the horrible systemic racism in the past” is all gone now, when “the past“ was only 70 years ago (1960), is silly, when you consider how entrenched racism is in America here since day one. If only the world changed that quickly.

filoeleven 6y ago

There’s a great 18-minute video from Bob the Tomato, AKA Phil Vischer, which lays out the sordid history in broad detail. I like this in particular because he’s coming from an evangelical Christian background—a demographic that has 60% racial resentment, the highest in the country. https://youtu.be/AGUwcs9qJXY https://youtu.be/AGUwcs9qJXY https://religionnews.com/2020/06/09/racial-resentment-varies-widely-among-religious-groups/ https://religionnews.com/2020/06/09/racial-resentment-varies...

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

None of these apply today. There is no “systemic racism” in the US no matter how many woke allies are shamed into repeating it. Larry Elder has a better handle on it than the people who perpetuate this. https://youtu.be/TA3nInyPuFE https://youtu.be/TA3nInyPuFE

adamsea 6y ago
IMHO radio host Larry Elder is not a valid source to back up your claim that systemic racism in the US doesn’t exist. Let’s be clear. There is systemic racism within law enforcement and our system of justice in the US. It’s easy to go online and find reputable, fact-based sources verifying this; the Wikipedia article I linked to linked to some. It’s also easy to find reputable sources online which can help explain what systemic racism is and provide historical context, for those who may be unaware. Put simply; you are wrong, sir. “ Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  If you watched the video, you’d see he is not the source of my claims or his claims. You have not provided any examples of systemic racism that exist in the US today. Redlining is systemic racism, but it is illegal everywhere in the US. We are talking about whether it exists, not whether it has ever existed. Obviously there was horrible systemic racism in the past. I’m aware that there are a lot of (frankly, garbage) articles online that claim this, but the data says otherwise. Again, Larry Elder pretty thoroughly debunks this, but if you have a counter argument, I’d love to hear it.
  - adamsea 6y ago
    Police violence towards people of color and many aspects of the justice system (sentencing, etc) are examples of current day systemic racism. I know you are smart and capable enough to find sources / evidence about those things as it’s been a huge topic of conversation across the nation for the past few months. Any reputable newspaper. Any reputable university. The Federal Government itself. Or simply using your eyes and ears and heart and Occam’s razor. So, if you don’t want to see, acknowledge, or believe it, that’s on you. I’m not going to play the game where it’s my job to convince the skeptic that the sky is blue when they say “oh but it’s night right now and it sure doesn’t look blue to me.” If you want to share a link to a reputable source mentioned by Larry Elder I’ll take a quick look but I’m not watching a video. Also the idea that “the horrible systemic racism in the past” is all gone now, when “the past“ was only 70 years ago (1960), is silly, when you consider how entrenched racism is in America here since day one. If only the world changed that quickly.