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Who is they?
by bigdict 6y ago
Who is they?
- ceejayoz 6y agoA Russian defector, poisoned by Russian intelligence agents using a chemical only the Russians have? Who do you think?
- bigdict 6y agoI don’t know. What about you? Just say it. No need for this circuitous intimation.
- ceejayoz 6y agoI don't know for certain they're not lizard aliens in skin suits trying to frame the Russians to cause chaos on Earth before they come harvest us. Barring substantial evidence for the silly/unlikely explanations, I'm quite comfortable with the sensible one. There's plenty of evidence for me to conclude the Skripal poisonings were carried out by Russia.
- bigdict 6y agoCome on, who did it?! Edit: ok, you finally said it in an edit.
- tim333 6y agoThough it remains a question of which Russians in particular. Especially with Navalny it seems a bit crude for Putin to have ordered it.
- mhh__ 6y agoHe was a KGB officer what do you expect him to do?
- Udik 6y ago> using a chemical only the Russians have? This is obviously not true.
- ceejayoz 6y agoHow so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent It's not the sort of thing you export.
- Udik 6y agoFrom the article you linked: "Novichok has, however, been known to most western secret services since the 1990s,[16] and in 2016 Iranian chemists synthesised five Novichok agents for analysis and produced detailed mass spectral data which was added to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons Central Analytical Database.[17][18] Previously, there had been no detailed descriptions of their spectral properties in open scientific literature.[17][19] A small amount of agent A-230 was also claimed to have been synthesised in the Czech Republic in 2017 for the purpose of obtaining analytical data to help defend against these novel toxic compounds." ---- Rate limited, so I'll reply here to the next comment: > You'd also have to ignore the additional evidence Ok, but if you say "only Russia have them" you're saying something that is not true. They have been synthesized outside of Russia, so it's perfectly possible that others (militaries, secret services) have them. Amounts can also have been exported from Russia in the 50 years since they've been developed. As for the additional evidence: again, damning. However, if someone (a state actor) wanted to damage Russia, it could also have managed to attract two Russian agents in the area to frame Russia. It's a conspiracy theory of course. But we're talking about conspiracies. The bottom line is that if we conclude it was Russia then we need to ask why it would a) put the most obvious signature on the deed; b) use the most brutal and dangerous method available, one that would immediately make a vast number of very rich and powerful countries into enemies. Maybe just to sow division over the implausibility of it? I don't know.
- ceejayoz 6y agoFrom the actual source referenced: > The syntheses were carried out on a micro-scale in order to minimize exposure. "We synthesized trace amounts so we can detect it if it's used on us" and "we have an active chemical weapons program making useful quantities of the stuff" are vastly different things. You'd also have to ignore the additional evidence, like identified Russian intelligence operatives claiming to have been in town to look at a cathedral, and the motive.
- fuj 6y agoI sure wonder that too buddy. Hard to tell, isn't it? I wonder I wonder