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Kids don't universally like anything (good or bad for them--thats kids in general), so that argument is irrelevant. Family? Mom and Dad are 2 people? Did you f

Kids don't universally like anything (good or bad for them--thats kids in general), so that argument is irrelevant. Family? Mom and Dad are 2 people? Did you follow the footsteps of either? Probably not as you have unique interests and tastes. Neighborhood groups? I grew up in an area where I was the only child within 6 blocks? Am I out of luck? Schools _are_ the neighborhood group!!! Edit: I am well-versed on both the history and current status of the education system. Both my parents and my spouse are full-time teachers.

disown 6y ago
> Kids don't universally like anything (good or bad for them--thats kids in general) Didn't say they did. Just said there is a reason why they universally don't like one thing - school. > so that argument is irrelevant. The argument isn't irrelevant because it goes against your assertion : "Humans are social creatures". Schools weren't created to be social environments for kids. They weren't created for socializing. Kids don't socialize in a group of 1000 kids. Schools, in fact, prevent socialization. Kids tend to socialize after school. Everything you've said so far is indoctrination nonsense. If you wanted kids to socialize, school is the last thing you'd build. > Family? Mom and Dad are 2 people? Did you follow the footsteps of either? So no siblings, uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins, etc? Also, do you have to follow in their footsteps to get your social needs from family? > I grew up in an area where I was the only child within 6 blocks? Am I out of luck? I wonder what people like you did before schools were invented 150 years ago? Is there a reason why you can't go out 7 blocks? So you only had a father and mother in your family and were bound to a rule that limited you to 6 blocks? > Edit: I am well-versed on both the history and current status of the education system. Both my parents and my spouse are full-time teachers. Now I understand why you think the way you do. Just because your parents are school teachers doesn't mean they or you know the history of the education system. Actually, the fact that your parents worked for the system incentivizes you to ignore the history of the modern school system. It's what happens when you rely on the system for a paycheck.
- kickout 6y ago
  Wow, you truly are delusional. If you think there is no social aspect to schools then i'm wasting my keystrokes. Read up on what modern families look like, rarely (except for immigrant families mostly) are they 'extended'. I'm replying to the parent comment that stated online and virtual learning are superior to attending schools. It was implied the ONLY purpose of school is to ascertain knowledge when that's merely one (small) aspect. "Schools, in fact, prevent socialization" is maybe one of the most divorced from reality statements I've ever read on HN. Good luck on your future journey. Edit: Created 20 days ago explains everything
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    > except for immigrant families mostly You say this in a country that has a fairly sizable immigrant population. And you don't have to live in the same house to be able to visit grandma on the other side of town. > Created 20 days ago explains everything Not here.
- chongli 6y ago
  Just said there is a reason why they universally don't like one thing - school That’s demonstrably false. I have plenty of friends in university right now who love school and have great memories of it going all the way back to kindergarten. I didn’t love high school but I enjoyed elementary school and I love university. I can also think of a few changes that would have made high school a much better experience. Now that I’m in university, I see how much better it could be!
veilrap 6y ago
Totally agree. Schools act as a social hub for kids K-12. Most kids spend a great deal of time socializing, in, around, and in activities related to their school.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  Why do these threads and many other political things become zero-sum? You can have an alternative alongside current standard school structure. You don't need to abolish the current schools but run the alternative and see which one performs better. I find it upsetting how people don't want to introduce alternatives or let man have a choice. Why do people don't want others to have a choice? You can see this almost everywhere. Take apple walled garden threads. Just why? Have diverse schools and structure. Some can have bigger breaks and start at noon. Some can be stretched out age wise and be more sociable place. Others can be like prison. It's bizzare how similar schools are here (India). Some of it is forced by bureaucracy of the state and central government but a lot of it is self imposed while handing out creative and diversity points in their advertisement pamphlet.

disown 6y ago

> Kids don't universally like anything (good or bad for them--thats kids in general) Didn't say they did. Just said there is a reason why they universally don't like one thing - school. > so that argument is irrelevant. The argument isn't irrelevant because it goes against your assertion : "Humans are social creatures". Schools weren't created to be social environments for kids. They weren't created for socializing. Kids don't socialize in a group of 1000 kids. Schools, in fact, prevent socialization. Kids tend to socialize after school. Everything you've said so far is indoctrination nonsense. If you wanted kids to socialize, school is the last thing you'd build. > Family? Mom and Dad are 2 people? Did you follow the footsteps of either? So no siblings, uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins, etc? Also, do you have to follow in their footsteps to get your social needs from family? > I grew up in an area where I was the only child within 6 blocks? Am I out of luck? I wonder what people like you did before schools were invented 150 years ago? Is there a reason why you can't go out 7 blocks? So you only had a father and mother in your family and were bound to a rule that limited you to 6 blocks? > Edit: I am well-versed on both the history and current status of the education system. Both my parents and my spouse are full-time teachers. Now I understand why you think the way you do. Just because your parents are school teachers doesn't mean they or you know the history of the education system. Actually, the fact that your parents worked for the system incentivizes you to ignore the history of the modern school system. It's what happens when you rely on the system for a paycheck.

kickout 6y ago
Wow, you truly are delusional. If you think there is no social aspect to schools then i'm wasting my keystrokes. Read up on what modern families look like, rarely (except for immigrant families mostly) are they 'extended'. I'm replying to the parent comment that stated online and virtual learning are superior to attending schools. It was implied the ONLY purpose of school is to ascertain knowledge when that's merely one (small) aspect. "Schools, in fact, prevent socialization" is maybe one of the most divorced from reality statements I've ever read on HN. Good luck on your future journey. Edit: Created 20 days ago explains everything
- saagarjha 6y ago
  > except for immigrant families mostly You say this in a country that has a fairly sizable immigrant population. And you don't have to live in the same house to be able to visit grandma on the other side of town. > Created 20 days ago explains everything Not here.
chongli 6y ago
Just said there is a reason why they universally don't like one thing - school That’s demonstrably false. I have plenty of friends in university right now who love school and have great memories of it going all the way back to kindergarten. I didn’t love high school but I enjoyed elementary school and I love university. I can also think of a few changes that would have made high school a much better experience. Now that I’m in university, I see how much better it could be!

veilrap 6y ago

Totally agree. Schools act as a social hub for kids K-12. Most kids spend a great deal of time socializing, in, around, and in activities related to their school.

searchableguy 6y ago
Why do these threads and many other political things become zero-sum? You can have an alternative alongside current standard school structure. You don't need to abolish the current schools but run the alternative and see which one performs better. I find it upsetting how people don't want to introduce alternatives or let man have a choice. Why do people don't want others to have a choice? You can see this almost everywhere. Take apple walled garden threads. Just why? Have diverse schools and structure. Some can have bigger breaks and start at noon. Some can be stretched out age wise and be more sociable place. Others can be like prison. It's bizzare how similar schools are here (India). Some of it is forced by bureaucracy of the state and central government but a lot of it is self imposed while handing out creative and diversity points in their advertisement pamphlet.