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I appreciate the sentiment of having more domestic alternatives and competition but there's an insignificant amount of work here. Indie developers and studios w

I appreciate the sentiment of having more domestic alternatives and competition but there's an insignificant amount of work here. Indie developers and studios won't start making apps and games for India unless they can sustain themselves. That is hard. I expect bigger companies such as jio to take lion's share and have a default monopoly at this point. > India has emerged as the fastest growing app market in the world with 19 billion apps downloaded in 2019, up from 6.55 billion in 2016, according to data from analytics and market intelligence firm App Annie’s State of Mobile 2020 report published last week. > Indians have spent only $120 million on mobile apps whereas China dominates mobile spending with $48 billion, which is 40% of total revenue generated through mobile apps. > In-app subscriptions contributed to 96% of spend in top non-gaming apps. https://entrackr.com/2020/01/india-is-fastest-growing-market-for-app-downloads-in-world/ https://entrackr.com/2020/01/india-is-fastest-growing-market... Some background: > PM Narendra Modi on Sunday urged startups and entrepreneurs to develop innovative “toys and games, for India and of India” to meet domestic demand and increase its share in the global toy business, estimated at Rs 7 lakh crore. He also called upon people to support indigenously developed apps which could replace the ones currently in vogue and are controlled by foreign companies. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/pm-modi-bats-for-local-toy-industry-urges-people-to-support-desi-apps/articleshow/77841819.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/...

higerordermap 6y ago
Chinese apps have always been a security risk. Mostly youth will be annoyed by lack of their favourite time-waster apps, but there are alternatives.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  My point was that we need to do more than just a ban. > Chinese apps have always been a security risk I don't disagree. But I find this phrasing a little unclear. National security and broadly speaking security are different. Indian apps and services don't fare well in the latter category. > but there are alternatives. Yes, but why haven't they seen the same growth naturally? The top grossing page is filled with more Indian apps only recently due to the political atmosphere. What happened before? Indian companies and developers have a cultural advantage and market understanding both of which are important for entertainment services to take off such as games. What's the reason behind the lag? Can you give examples of alternatives that were well established before this year? > Mostly youth will be annoyed by lack of their favorite time-waster apps This mentality doesn't help. This is discouraging individuals from experimenting with creative outlets in the country. That would have given us more Indian games opposed to china filling the market. E-sports is a big industry and is only growing. How do you expect anyone to innovate here when they are demonized by culture for taking interest in these games? Surely, the problem is people aren't educated on topics such as addiction and they are considered as taboos.
  - rtx 6y ago
    Chinese government support for its companies.
    - anniefrost 6y ago
      Hey, US government also support its companies. They were literally forcing non-US company to sell their company to US company.
ffpip 6y ago
Jio unfortunately blatantly copies western apps and adds a 'Made in India' tag. Therefore people think it is patriotic to use it. They copied Whatsapp but removed the end to end encryption. They copied Zoom and removed the decent security. They copied amazon and started JioMart, whose apps look exactly the same. Am waiting for them to start Jioogle, as an alternative search engine.
- oblio 6y ago
  The things is, that's kind of how it starts. First you copy badly, then you copy well, then you improve. Baby steps.
  - ffpip 6y ago
    They won't improve. I'm willing to bet on it. They are getting into the advertising business. Advertisers and privacy/security don't go together. India is just getting used to the internet. Massive market. Billion users.
    - oblio 6y ago
      Advertisers and security/privacy do work well together, from a certain point of view. As Jio, if I'd clone Zoom, I would add encryption, so that only I, Jio, would be able to analyze that traffic. Same thing with WhatsApp.
      - ffpip 6y ago
        I meant security/privacy from the company in question. Jio. e2ee in JioChat was just not even implemented. They just copied whatsapp.
        oblio 6y ago
        That's kind of bad, but I think that for regular users, it's a non-feature. They don't care. They only care about traffic not being snooped in along the way. They will trust the messenger company. I'd imagine JioChat is encrypted in transit, isn't it?

higerordermap 6y ago

Chinese apps have always been a security risk. Mostly youth will be annoyed by lack of their favourite time-waster apps, but there are alternatives.

searchableguy 6y ago
My point was that we need to do more than just a ban. > Chinese apps have always been a security risk I don't disagree. But I find this phrasing a little unclear. National security and broadly speaking security are different. Indian apps and services don't fare well in the latter category. > but there are alternatives. Yes, but why haven't they seen the same growth naturally? The top grossing page is filled with more Indian apps only recently due to the political atmosphere. What happened before? Indian companies and developers have a cultural advantage and market understanding both of which are important for entertainment services to take off such as games. What's the reason behind the lag? Can you give examples of alternatives that were well established before this year? > Mostly youth will be annoyed by lack of their favorite time-waster apps This mentality doesn't help. This is discouraging individuals from experimenting with creative outlets in the country. That would have given us more Indian games opposed to china filling the market. E-sports is a big industry and is only growing. How do you expect anyone to innovate here when they are demonized by culture for taking interest in these games? Surely, the problem is people aren't educated on topics such as addiction and they are considered as taboos.
- rtx 6y ago
  Chinese government support for its companies.
  - anniefrost 6y ago
    Hey, US government also support its companies. They were literally forcing non-US company to sell their company to US company.

ffpip 6y ago

Jio unfortunately blatantly copies western apps and adds a 'Made in India' tag. Therefore people think it is patriotic to use it. They copied Whatsapp but removed the end to end encryption. They copied Zoom and removed the decent security. They copied amazon and started JioMart, whose apps look exactly the same. Am waiting for them to start Jioogle, as an alternative search engine.

oblio 6y ago
The things is, that's kind of how it starts. First you copy badly, then you copy well, then you improve. Baby steps.
- ffpip 6y ago
  They won't improve. I'm willing to bet on it. They are getting into the advertising business. Advertisers and privacy/security don't go together. India is just getting used to the internet. Massive market. Billion users.
  - oblio 6y ago
    Advertisers and security/privacy do work well together, from a certain point of view. As Jio, if I'd clone Zoom, I would add encryption, so that only I, Jio, would be able to analyze that traffic. Same thing with WhatsApp.
    - ffpip 6y ago
      I meant security/privacy from the company in question. Jio. e2ee in JioChat was just not even implemented. They just copied whatsapp.
      - oblio 6y ago
        That's kind of bad, but I think that for regular users, it's a non-feature. They don't care. They only care about traffic not being snooped in along the way. They will trust the messenger company. I'd imagine JioChat is encrypted in transit, isn't it?