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Where or how would you meet real people that have similar interests? Humans are social creatures, not online learning creatures

disown 6y ago
> Where or how would you meet real people that have similar interests? From your family/friend/neighborhood groups? Are you saying schools are where you go to meet people of similar interests? How can that be when schools are for everyone? > Humans are social creatures Humans are social creatures with in-group bias. Especially young kids. Schools are an unnatural system for humans. It's why kids universally don't like school. It's why you have to force, trick and brainwash them into liking school. You might want to read up on the history of modern education system. They certainly weren't created to meet people with similar interests.
- cmrdporcupine 6y ago
  The problem we have right now is that schools were closed but other social avenues weren't/aren't open. We have the option here in Ontario to keep our kids home and do home learning. But anything else the kids might do to get social exposure and even physical exertion is effectively closed. Real home schooled kids usually have clubs and so on that they attend to hang out with other kids. That avenue is closed off. My kids have to go back, just for their own mental health. As awful as the schools might be right now, they'll be better than being stuck at home playing Dragon Quest Builders II through for the third time.
- kickout 6y ago
  Kids don't universally like anything (good or bad for them--thats kids in general), so that argument is irrelevant. Family? Mom and Dad are 2 people? Did you follow the footsteps of either? Probably not as you have unique interests and tastes. Neighborhood groups? I grew up in an area where I was the only child within 6 blocks? Am I out of luck? Schools _are_ the neighborhood group!!! Edit: I am well-versed on both the history and current status of the education system. Both my parents and my spouse are full-time teachers.
  - disown 6y ago
    > Kids don't universally like anything (good or bad for them--thats kids in general) Didn't say they did. Just said there is a reason why they universally don't like one thing - school. > so that argument is irrelevant. The argument isn't irrelevant because it goes against your assertion : "Humans are social creatures". Schools weren't created to be social environments for kids. They weren't created for socializing. Kids don't socialize in a group of 1000 kids. Schools, in fact, prevent socialization. Kids tend to socialize after school. Everything you've said so far is indoctrination nonsense. If you wanted kids to socialize, school is the last thing you'd build. > Family? Mom and Dad are 2 people? Did you follow the footsteps of either? So no siblings, uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins, etc? Also, do you have to follow in their footsteps to get your social needs from family? > I grew up in an area where I was the only child within 6 blocks? Am I out of luck? I wonder what people like you did before schools were invented 150 years ago? Is there a reason why you can't go out 7 blocks? So you only had a father and mother in your family and were bound to a rule that limited you to 6 blocks? > Edit: I am well-versed on both the history and current status of the education system. Both my parents and my spouse are full-time teachers. Now I understand why you think the way you do. Just because your parents are school teachers doesn't mean they or you know the history of the education system. Actually, the fact that your parents worked for the system incentivizes you to ignore the history of the modern school system. It's what happens when you rely on the system for a paycheck.
    - kickout 6y ago
      Wow, you truly are delusional. If you think there is no social aspect to schools then i'm wasting my keystrokes. Read up on what modern families look like, rarely (except for immigrant families mostly) are they 'extended'. I'm replying to the parent comment that stated online and virtual learning are superior to attending schools. It was implied the ONLY purpose of school is to ascertain knowledge when that's merely one (small) aspect. "Schools, in fact, prevent socialization" is maybe one of the most divorced from reality statements I've ever read on HN. Good luck on your future journey. Edit: Created 20 days ago explains everything
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nvarsj 6y ago
When I was a kid I had a lot of friends in the local neighborhood. Kids used to just go outside and play with each other. Plus my parents were involved in the local community and knew a lot of other parents with kids, so they organized social stuff for me and my siblings. These were some of the best experiences I had growing up. But you're right - school is the place where most people form friendships, just like adults at work. It's harder to form friendships if you're not regularly put into social situations with others. I'm not sure what the best answer is institutionally, but I don't think the current state school system is the right one.

disown 6y ago

> Where or how would you meet real people that have similar interests? From your family/friend/neighborhood groups? Are you saying schools are where you go to meet people of similar interests? How can that be when schools are for everyone? > Humans are social creatures Humans are social creatures with in-group bias. Especially young kids. Schools are an unnatural system for humans. It's why kids universally don't like school. It's why you have to force, trick and brainwash them into liking school. You might want to read up on the history of modern education system. They certainly weren't created to meet people with similar interests.

cmrdporcupine 6y ago
The problem we have right now is that schools were closed but other social avenues weren't/aren't open. We have the option here in Ontario to keep our kids home and do home learning. But anything else the kids might do to get social exposure and even physical exertion is effectively closed. Real home schooled kids usually have clubs and so on that they attend to hang out with other kids. That avenue is closed off. My kids have to go back, just for their own mental health. As awful as the schools might be right now, they'll be better than being stuck at home playing Dragon Quest Builders II through for the third time.
kickout 6y ago
Kids don't universally like anything (good or bad for them--thats kids in general), so that argument is irrelevant. Family? Mom and Dad are 2 people? Did you follow the footsteps of either? Probably not as you have unique interests and tastes. Neighborhood groups? I grew up in an area where I was the only child within 6 blocks? Am I out of luck? Schools _are_ the neighborhood group!!! Edit: I am well-versed on both the history and current status of the education system. Both my parents and my spouse are full-time teachers.
- disown 6y ago
  > Kids don't universally like anything (good or bad for them--thats kids in general) Didn't say they did. Just said there is a reason why they universally don't like one thing - school. > so that argument is irrelevant. The argument isn't irrelevant because it goes against your assertion : "Humans are social creatures". Schools weren't created to be social environments for kids. They weren't created for socializing. Kids don't socialize in a group of 1000 kids. Schools, in fact, prevent socialization. Kids tend to socialize after school. Everything you've said so far is indoctrination nonsense. If you wanted kids to socialize, school is the last thing you'd build. > Family? Mom and Dad are 2 people? Did you follow the footsteps of either? So no siblings, uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins, etc? Also, do you have to follow in their footsteps to get your social needs from family? > I grew up in an area where I was the only child within 6 blocks? Am I out of luck? I wonder what people like you did before schools were invented 150 years ago? Is there a reason why you can't go out 7 blocks? So you only had a father and mother in your family and were bound to a rule that limited you to 6 blocks? > Edit: I am well-versed on both the history and current status of the education system. Both my parents and my spouse are full-time teachers. Now I understand why you think the way you do. Just because your parents are school teachers doesn't mean they or you know the history of the education system. Actually, the fact that your parents worked for the system incentivizes you to ignore the history of the modern school system. It's what happens when you rely on the system for a paycheck.
  - kickout 6y ago
    Wow, you truly are delusional. If you think there is no social aspect to schools then i'm wasting my keystrokes. Read up on what modern families look like, rarely (except for immigrant families mostly) are they 'extended'. I'm replying to the parent comment that stated online and virtual learning are superior to attending schools. It was implied the ONLY purpose of school is to ascertain knowledge when that's merely one (small) aspect. "Schools, in fact, prevent socialization" is maybe one of the most divorced from reality statements I've ever read on HN. Good luck on your future journey. Edit: Created 20 days ago explains everything
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nvarsj 6y ago

When I was a kid I had a lot of friends in the local neighborhood. Kids used to just go outside and play with each other. Plus my parents were involved in the local community and knew a lot of other parents with kids, so they organized social stuff for me and my siblings. These were some of the best experiences I had growing up. But you're right - school is the place where most people form friendships, just like adults at work. It's harder to form friendships if you're not regularly put into social situations with others. I'm not sure what the best answer is institutionally, but I don't think the current state school system is the right one.