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Where is the Indian opposition on this? Are they fully behind Modi's nationalism? There is a raging pandemic. Massive recession. Potential war with China. Inte

Where is the Indian opposition on this? Are they fully behind Modi's nationalism? There is a raging pandemic. Massive recession. Potential war with China. Internet bans. Crackdown in Kashmir. There has to be some questions?

obmelvin 6y ago
Perhaps, if you feel strongly you could express your own opposition rather than make very vague statements alluding to...I have no idea, to be honest.
- throwaway4good 6y ago
  I am not from India - so it doesn't matter what I think. I was asking a question. I notice from my own country that the power around the sitting government has been strengthened over the COVID-pandemic and the opposition is very weak. I can only imagine how things would centralise further had my country also been under the threat of war.
  - sremani 6y ago
    Defense and Communications have been Central portfolio since 1950 in India. There is no centralization of power happening, and there is no state that is protesting the current banning of apps.
  - powerapple 6y ago
    That's rare. Typically you would think bad situations are good cards for oppositions. Pandemic, not standing up strongly against 'enemy', are good cards for playing the nationalism game. Unless the sitting government have handled the situation very well, the opposition will have something to say about it and people would agree with them.
seshagiric 6y ago
Modi has nationalist agenda but I doubt this one falls under it. Given the consistent Chinese aggression, I guess any other political party would have done the same.
- ubermon 6y ago
  Curious on what is the general view of Indian population, twitter is full of trolls and paid campaign. From what I gather in chinese forum, I don't think any one believes China was the aggressive side, their most aggression is on getting Taiwan/ROC back. It is funny to see on twitter some people accusing other side's aggression yet boasting about victory of getting further across LAC.
shklnrj 6y ago
This is not related to any nationalism. Its the response of a sovereign nation in order to secure the data of its citizens which might face 'potential war with China'. Its logical. If you apply logic.
- d3nj4l 6y ago
  > This is not related to any nationalism. > Its the response of a sovereign nation in order to secure the data of its citizens which. That's... contradictory?
  - shklnrj 6y ago
    If a nation A attacks B, and nation B fights back for its cause, would would call the response of B to be 'nationalism'? Or just protecting sovereignty?
- Aperocky 6y ago
  Secure the video game! It's a threat to national security! Pure Logic.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Your comment would be significantly improved without the last part.
ffpip 6y ago
Lol what questions. If you question them they name you as a terrorist and slam the NSA act on you. 'National security'
sremani 6y ago
If it is pure unadulterated nationalism, only one country would not be targeted. It is fair to say, China is a Clear and Present danger to Indian Union and in a war-like state banning games should not be that controversial. You do not want to fund the bullets being shot at your soldiers as much as possible.
- cma 6y ago
  Heavily nationalistic countries still can have allies.
  - sremani 6y ago
    Not in this case - since India app banning is more or less confined to China. India is a fragmented country and the nationalism that western liberals cry about is the one of the few Centripetal forces pulling the fragmented states together and giving a semblance of cohesion in policy and governance.
    - cma 6y ago
      I don't know much about this case, just in general nationalism != isolationism
      - sremani 6y ago
        There won't be a nation without nationalism. Indian Nationalism pre-dates Alexander the Great. Thank you for very much.
- d3nj4l 6y ago
  Nationalist countries often have "the enemy". It used to be Pakistan for India until very recently. Now it's China, only because of recent events, and there aren't very many Pakistani apps to ban either.
  - thevardanian 6y ago
screye 6y ago
The average Indian loves Modi. He is India's most liked leader since Indira. How people are looking at it: > raging pandemic It is not his fault. (to some extent they are correct. Covid and India, was like lighting a match in a haystack. Central Govt.'s response to Covid has been far less shambolic than the numbers make it look) > Massive recession Modi gets to blame it on Covid. Demonetization and an unclear fiscal policy have just as much to do with it. So, he is only 50% correct. > Potential war with China I don't exactly blame him for this either. He seems to actually have bipartisan support for this. China is pretty much trying to take over Indian land, so the reaction is warranted. > Crackdown in Kashmir Kashmir in Modi's era is a weird mix of success and failure. The removal of article 370 is a great idea that would allow Kashmir to finally reintegrate properly. The opposition to it was also muted, since it was a bipartisan goal of both Indian national parties. Modi just had the mandate and right votebank to do it. The reintegration process however, was slower than expected, and led to a period where Kashmiris experienced loss of freedom that was looked down upon by many. It has been getting better, but it could still be faster. > Internet bans Can I say, I absolutely approve of these in India. The pace of spread of mis-information on mom&pop groups on whatsapp is unbelievable. There are many bad faith actors who use crises to incite riots. A few hour internet or whatsapp blackout is absolutely essential to govern in a reasonable way in India. __________________ Modi is not good for India. I do not like him. But, the west and Indian left-elite completely miss what's wrong with him. The rising popularity of Modi while the whole left-establishment shouting that his time is over is as clear as it gets. So, I'll enumerate what I think Modi's biggest issues are, in ascending order. 1. Lack of seasoned/qualified generals to run a full cabinet. (the death of Jaitley, Sushma, Parrikar made it worse) 2. Over-reliance on India's tired and stagnant bureaucrat class to make up for it, instead of external experts. 3. Homogenizing the Hindu community at large, to form a bipolar nation (Hindus vs Muslims = BJP vs Congress). 4. Centralizing control (very Indira-esque... really, to undertand Modi, just ask : "what would Indira do") _________________ Modi didn't happen out of nowhere. The complete incompetence of the Indian National Congress at mounting anything resembling an opposition is primary to Modi's rise. A hero only exists, when they have a demon to kill. As long as the INC continues to try to draw from the drying well of nepotistic 'Gandhi-name' goodwill, it will continue down the death spiral they are in. If there was a silver lining, maybe Modi will force the rise of a more socially open and meritocratic left in India.
noisy_boy 6y ago
In the current atmosphere of raging nationalism, no opposition party will protest the legality/sensibility of the ban for the fear of being labelled "traitor"/"anti-national"/"friends of China" etc. Anyway, these are token populist bans without any real teeth. India lost 20 soliders in the Chinese aggression along the line-of-control; Modi didn't once name China as the aggressor responsible for that. India doesn't have a strong and credible opposition. Otherwise, with the economy in shambles due to a series of shitty decisions like demonetization/poor implementation of GST etc, any component front shouldn't have much difficulty mobilizing popular support.

obmelvin 6y ago

Perhaps, if you feel strongly you could express your own opposition rather than make very vague statements alluding to...I have no idea, to be honest.

throwaway4good 6y ago
I am not from India - so it doesn't matter what I think. I was asking a question. I notice from my own country that the power around the sitting government has been strengthened over the COVID-pandemic and the opposition is very weak. I can only imagine how things would centralise further had my country also been under the threat of war.
- sremani 6y ago
  Defense and Communications have been Central portfolio since 1950 in India. There is no centralization of power happening, and there is no state that is protesting the current banning of apps.
- powerapple 6y ago
  That's rare. Typically you would think bad situations are good cards for oppositions. Pandemic, not standing up strongly against 'enemy', are good cards for playing the nationalism game. Unless the sitting government have handled the situation very well, the opposition will have something to say about it and people would agree with them.

seshagiric 6y ago

Modi has nationalist agenda but I doubt this one falls under it. Given the consistent Chinese aggression, I guess any other political party would have done the same.

ubermon 6y ago
Curious on what is the general view of Indian population, twitter is full of trolls and paid campaign. From what I gather in chinese forum, I don't think any one believes China was the aggressive side, their most aggression is on getting Taiwan/ROC back. It is funny to see on twitter some people accusing other side's aggression yet boasting about victory of getting further across LAC.

shklnrj 6y ago

This is not related to any nationalism. Its the response of a sovereign nation in order to secure the data of its citizens which might face 'potential war with China'. Its logical. If you apply logic.

d3nj4l 6y ago
> This is not related to any nationalism. > Its the response of a sovereign nation in order to secure the data of its citizens which. That's... contradictory?
- shklnrj 6y ago
  If a nation A attacks B, and nation B fights back for its cause, would would call the response of B to be 'nationalism'? Or just protecting sovereignty?
Aperocky 6y ago
Secure the video game! It's a threat to national security! Pure Logic.
saagarjha 6y ago
Your comment would be significantly improved without the last part.

ffpip 6y ago

Lol what questions. If you question them they name you as a terrorist and slam the NSA act on you. 'National security'

sremani 6y ago

If it is pure unadulterated nationalism, only one country would not be targeted. It is fair to say, China is a Clear and Present danger to Indian Union and in a war-like state banning games should not be that controversial. You do not want to fund the bullets being shot at your soldiers as much as possible.

cma 6y ago
Heavily nationalistic countries still can have allies.
- sremani 6y ago
  Not in this case - since India app banning is more or less confined to China. India is a fragmented country and the nationalism that western liberals cry about is the one of the few Centripetal forces pulling the fragmented states together and giving a semblance of cohesion in policy and governance.
  - cma 6y ago
    I don't know much about this case, just in general nationalism != isolationism
    - sremani 6y ago
      There won't be a nation without nationalism. Indian Nationalism pre-dates Alexander the Great. Thank you for very much.
d3nj4l 6y ago
Nationalist countries often have "the enemy". It used to be Pakistan for India until very recently. Now it's China, only because of recent events, and there aren't very many Pakistani apps to ban either.
- thevardanian 6y ago

screye 6y ago

The average Indian loves Modi. He is India's most liked leader since Indira. How people are looking at it: > raging pandemic It is not his fault. (to some extent they are correct. Covid and India, was like lighting a match in a haystack. Central Govt.'s response to Covid has been far less shambolic than the numbers make it look) > Massive recession Modi gets to blame it on Covid. Demonetization and an unclear fiscal policy have just as much to do with it. So, he is only 50% correct. > Potential war with China I don't exactly blame him for this either. He seems to actually have bipartisan support for this. China is pretty much trying to take over Indian land, so the reaction is warranted. > Crackdown in Kashmir Kashmir in Modi's era is a weird mix of success and failure. The removal of article 370 is a great idea that would allow Kashmir to finally reintegrate properly. The opposition to it was also muted, since it was a bipartisan goal of both Indian national parties. Modi just had the mandate and right votebank to do it. The reintegration process however, was slower than expected, and led to a period where Kashmiris experienced loss of freedom that was looked down upon by many. It has been getting better, but it could still be faster. > Internet bans Can I say, I absolutely approve of these in India. The pace of spread of mis-information on mom&pop groups on whatsapp is unbelievable. There are many bad faith actors who use crises to incite riots. A few hour internet or whatsapp blackout is absolutely essential to govern in a reasonable way in India. __________________ Modi is not good for India. I do not like him. But, the west and Indian left-elite completely miss what's wrong with him. The rising popularity of Modi while the whole left-establishment shouting that his time is over is as clear as it gets. So, I'll enumerate what I think Modi's biggest issues are, in ascending order. 1. Lack of seasoned/qualified generals to run a full cabinet. (the death of Jaitley, Sushma, Parrikar made it worse) 2. Over-reliance on India's tired and stagnant bureaucrat class to make up for it, instead of external experts. 3. Homogenizing the Hindu community at large, to form a bipolar nation (Hindus vs Muslims = BJP vs Congress). 4. Centralizing control (very Indira-esque... really, to undertand Modi, just ask : "what would Indira do") _________________ Modi didn't happen out of nowhere. The complete incompetence of the Indian National Congress at mounting anything resembling an opposition is primary to Modi's rise. A hero only exists, when they have a demon to kill. As long as the INC continues to try to draw from the drying well of nepotistic 'Gandhi-name' goodwill, it will continue down the death spiral they are in. If there was a silver lining, maybe Modi will force the rise of a more socially open and meritocratic left in India.

noisy_boy 6y ago

In the current atmosphere of raging nationalism, no opposition party will protest the legality/sensibility of the ban for the fear of being labelled "traitor"/"anti-national"/"friends of China" etc. Anyway, these are token populist bans without any real teeth. India lost 20 soliders in the Chinese aggression along the line-of-control; Modi didn't once name China as the aggressor responsible for that. India doesn't have a strong and credible opposition. Otherwise, with the economy in shambles due to a series of shitty decisions like demonetization/poor implementation of GST etc, any component front shouldn't have much difficulty mobilizing popular support.