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Well I hope you didn't think I was implying that black people are inherently more prone to being criminals from birth. Of course it's dominated by poverty and a

by eloff 6y ago

Well I hope you didn't think I was implying that black people are inherently more prone to being criminals from birth. Of course it's dominated by poverty and a lack of good options for young black men especially. The US is actually the developed country where the American dream is most dream-like. Social mobility in the US is behind almost all the other developed nations. This is a real societal problem that needs to be addressed. But all the solutions are "socialist" and deeply unpopular in the US. However, that there's a good reason for it doesn't change the statistics. Police violence against black people seems to be a non issue by the numbers. Police violence in general is an issue, making it racial is counterproductive. The protest would be better focused on things that are real, like poverty, or poor social mobility. And instead of people just aimlessly letting off steam, it should have leadership and clear goals that can actually be implemented - then maybe there's a chance they could get congress to listen to them. Right now they're accomplishing nothing and this whole movement will fade away without any real change just like the Occupy Wall Street movement.

adamsea 6y ago
> Of course it's dominated by poverty and a lack of good options for young black men ... In the United States poverty in Black communities is a consequence of systemic racism, which continues to this day. W/the “drug war” examples further below, there’s a direct link between systemic racism and police behavior in black communities. Which admittedly cannot be blamed entirely on the police. But they certainly don’t help. Look at redlining in the 50s: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/371439/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article... Or the response to the opioid epidemic - prevalent in white communities - as opposed to how they responded to the crack/cocaine epidemic (prevalent in black communities) in the 80s. A medical response for white people - a criminal response for black people. https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/resources/article/criminal-justice-or-public-health-crack-cocaine-opioid-media-comparison https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/resources/article/crimina... Or the sentencing disparities between crack (prevalently used in poorer black communities) vs cocaine use/dealing. https://www.aclu.org/other/cracks-system-20-years-unjust-federal-crack-cocaine-law https://www.aclu.org/other/cracks-system-20-years-unjust-fed...
- filoeleven 6y ago
  There’s a great 18-minute video from Bob the Tomato, AKA Phil Vischer, which lays out the sordid history in broad detail. I like this in particular because he’s coming from an evangelical Christian background—a demographic that has 60% racial resentment, the highest in the country. https://youtu.be/AGUwcs9qJXY https://youtu.be/AGUwcs9qJXY https://religionnews.com/2020/06/09/racial-resentment-varies-widely-among-religious-groups/ https://religionnews.com/2020/06/09/racial-resentment-varies...
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  None of these apply today. There is no “systemic racism” in the US no matter how many woke allies are shamed into repeating it. Larry Elder has a better handle on it than the people who perpetuate this. https://youtu.be/TA3nInyPuFE https://youtu.be/TA3nInyPuFE
  - adamsea 6y ago
    IMHO radio host Larry Elder is not a valid source to back up your claim that systemic racism in the US doesn’t exist. Let’s be clear. There is systemic racism within law enforcement and our system of justice in the US. It’s easy to go online and find reputable, fact-based sources verifying this; the Wikipedia article I linked to linked to some. It’s also easy to find reputable sources online which can help explain what systemic racism is and provide historical context, for those who may be unaware. Put simply; you are wrong, sir. “ Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      If you watched the video, you’d see he is not the source of my claims or his claims. You have not provided any examples of systemic racism that exist in the US today. Redlining is systemic racism, but it is illegal everywhere in the US. We are talking about whether it exists, not whether it has ever existed. Obviously there was horrible systemic racism in the past. I’m aware that there are a lot of (frankly, garbage) articles online that claim this, but the data says otherwise. Again, Larry Elder pretty thoroughly debunks this, but if you have a counter argument, I’d love to hear it.

by eloff 6y ago

adamsea 6y ago

> Of course it's dominated by poverty and a lack of good options for young black men ... In the United States poverty in Black communities is a consequence of systemic racism, which continues to this day. W/the “drug war” examples further below, there’s a direct link between systemic racism and police behavior in black communities. Which admittedly cannot be blamed entirely on the police. But they certainly don’t help. Look at redlining in the 50s: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/371439/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article... Or the response to the opioid epidemic - prevalent in white communities - as opposed to how they responded to the crack/cocaine epidemic (prevalent in black communities) in the 80s. A medical response for white people - a criminal response for black people. https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/resources/article/criminal-justice-or-public-health-crack-cocaine-opioid-media-comparison https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/resources/article/crimina... Or the sentencing disparities between crack (prevalently used in poorer black communities) vs cocaine use/dealing. https://www.aclu.org/other/cracks-system-20-years-unjust-federal-crack-cocaine-law https://www.aclu.org/other/cracks-system-20-years-unjust-fed...

filoeleven 6y ago
There’s a great 18-minute video from Bob the Tomato, AKA Phil Vischer, which lays out the sordid history in broad detail. I like this in particular because he’s coming from an evangelical Christian background—a demographic that has 60% racial resentment, the highest in the country. https://youtu.be/AGUwcs9qJXY https://youtu.be/AGUwcs9qJXY https://religionnews.com/2020/06/09/racial-resentment-varies-widely-among-religious-groups/ https://religionnews.com/2020/06/09/racial-resentment-varies...
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
None of these apply today. There is no “systemic racism” in the US no matter how many woke allies are shamed into repeating it. Larry Elder has a better handle on it than the people who perpetuate this. https://youtu.be/TA3nInyPuFE https://youtu.be/TA3nInyPuFE
- adamsea 6y ago
  IMHO radio host Larry Elder is not a valid source to back up your claim that systemic racism in the US doesn’t exist. Let’s be clear. There is systemic racism within law enforcement and our system of justice in the US. It’s easy to go online and find reputable, fact-based sources verifying this; the Wikipedia article I linked to linked to some. It’s also easy to find reputable sources online which can help explain what systemic racism is and provide historical context, for those who may be unaware. Put simply; you are wrong, sir. “ Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    If you watched the video, you’d see he is not the source of my claims or his claims. You have not provided any examples of systemic racism that exist in the US today. Redlining is systemic racism, but it is illegal everywhere in the US. We are talking about whether it exists, not whether it has ever existed. Obviously there was horrible systemic racism in the past. I’m aware that there are a lot of (frankly, garbage) articles online that claim this, but the data says otherwise. Again, Larry Elder pretty thoroughly debunks this, but if you have a counter argument, I’d love to hear it.