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> She was in the passenger seat when a state trooper clocked her car at 118 miles per hour on I-94 in St. Paul. So she lets someone else drive her car at felon

by eric_b 6y ago

> She was in the passenger seat when a state trooper clocked her car at 118 miles per hour on I-94 in St. Paul. So she lets someone else drive her car at felony reckless driving speeds while she sits in the passenger seat? I mean... this law sounds like it has some problems but I'm not sure this is the case that proves it. Surely she bears some responsibility here? Additionally, the car was used in a crime. Should you get your gun back if you loan it out and it's used to shoot somebody?

bena 6y ago
It does prove it. Here's what the police could have done instead. Arrest the driver for "felony reckless driving". Have the car impounded for the night. Drive the passenger to her place. Give her written instructions on how to reclaim her vehicle the next day. There. You've made the roads safer. You've made the people safer. And you haven't stolen someone's property. And you know what, yes, you should get eventually your gun back if it's loaned out and used to shoot someone (provided you didn't loan it out for the purpose of shooting someone). The law doesn't have "some problems". It is a problem.
iso1210 6y ago
If she wasn't in the car? What if the car was a rental? Is there a law against being a passenger? If so what level of proof is there?
watwut 6y ago
Yeah, it absolutely does prove it. The driver is responsible for driving the car, not other person sitting next to driver. Also, you can not loan your gun to random people, you can borrow your car to whoever you want to. In the situation when someone else can legally borrow your gun and uses it for crime, the item should be returned to you at the same exact moment when other evidence is returned after trial. Keeping gun as evidence is necessary for trial, keeping car as evidence is not necessary here. Aaaaand keeping evidence and seizing item for profit are also massively different actions.
jedimastert 6y ago
> Surely she bears some responsibility here? If you're sitting in the passenger seat of a car driving an insane speed, what do you do? Hit the e-break? You're almost certainly going to die. Call thew police? The person is driving that crazy and you're in a locked room. You do the math. There is absolutely nothing a passenger can do.
- aardshark 6y ago
  From the details given, it sounds like she should bear some responsibility. But the story is lacking in details. Perhaps her coworker claimed to be sober and had not been visibly drinking at the work party. Perhaps she pleaded with him to slow down. Regardless, she clearly made an error in judgement when she decided to allow this person to drive her car. Should she lose her car over it? No, I don't think so. But if they had been involved in a car accident, should she bear some portion of blame? Definitely.

by eric_b 6y ago

bena 6y ago

It does prove it. Here's what the police could have done instead. Arrest the driver for "felony reckless driving". Have the car impounded for the night. Drive the passenger to her place. Give her written instructions on how to reclaim her vehicle the next day. There. You've made the roads safer. You've made the people safer. And you haven't stolen someone's property. And you know what, yes, you should get eventually your gun back if it's loaned out and used to shoot someone (provided you didn't loan it out for the purpose of shooting someone). The law doesn't have "some problems". It is a problem.

iso1210 6y ago

If she wasn't in the car? What if the car was a rental? Is there a law against being a passenger? If so what level of proof is there?

watwut 6y ago

Yeah, it absolutely does prove it. The driver is responsible for driving the car, not other person sitting next to driver. Also, you can not loan your gun to random people, you can borrow your car to whoever you want to. In the situation when someone else can legally borrow your gun and uses it for crime, the item should be returned to you at the same exact moment when other evidence is returned after trial. Keeping gun as evidence is necessary for trial, keeping car as evidence is not necessary here. Aaaaand keeping evidence and seizing item for profit are also massively different actions.

jedimastert 6y ago

> Surely she bears some responsibility here? If you're sitting in the passenger seat of a car driving an insane speed, what do you do? Hit the e-break? You're almost certainly going to die. Call thew police? The person is driving that crazy and you're in a locked room. You do the math. There is absolutely nothing a passenger can do.

aardshark 6y ago
From the details given, it sounds like she should bear some responsibility. But the story is lacking in details. Perhaps her coworker claimed to be sober and had not been visibly drinking at the work party. Perhaps she pleaded with him to slow down. Regardless, she clearly made an error in judgement when she decided to allow this person to drive her car. Should she lose her car over it? No, I don't think so. But if they had been involved in a car accident, should she bear some portion of blame? Definitely.