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The original premise was that the machines used the computational power of the human brains rather than using the humans to generate electricity. Seems a lot mo

The original premise was that the machines used the computational power of the human brains rather than using the humans to generate electricity. Seems a lot more plausible to me, though not as apt in your analogy. </tangent>

noneeeed 6y ago
This has always bothered me about the Matrix. The idea that the Matrix was made up of the human's brains made so much more sense than using them to generate heat. I always just watch it with this version in my mind and ignore the energy nonsense.
- bena 6y ago
  You don't even have to change any of the movie. Morpheus can believe in the battery thing. He can tell everyone this because it's what he's been told, because it's what the person before told, etc. But I don't think it's been confirmed or denied in any of the material from the franchise. It's just been assumed. Morpheus could just be wrong.
  - iso1210 6y ago
    https://i.imgflip.com/4dkxhj.jpg https://i.imgflip.com/4dkxhj.jpg
  - foxdev 6y ago
    I always thought of him as an unreliable narrator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator
    - MayeulC 6y ago
      https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/main/unreliablenarrator https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/main/unreliablenarrat... also, I guess?
  - salawat 6y ago
    ...it really doesn't make sense at all that human brains are being used for compute PR power actually. If you wanted brain's for compute, why are you wasting time simulating some 90's version of life for them? And the power explanation makes no sense either. Organic life's shtick is that it occupies a niche where complex mechanisms can be actuated through astonishingly low inputs of power via artificial lowering of chemical reaction energy thresholds via creation of ideal reaction conditions by way of catalytic enzymes. I loved the movies, and they posed some interesting questions at the time, but my God, they have not aged well. Just thinking of the energy requirements of the Hunter/Killers with their laser thing and the hover nonsense... I'd be a hit at all the parties I'm not invited to for the curious.
    - NikolaeVarius 6y ago
      The Matrix was not for efficiency. The point was that it was a eternal FUCK YOU to humanity
      - ModernMech 6y ago
        I mean, why do humans collect the shit we do? Maybe the machines just like the aesthetic appeal of a field filled with encased humans attached to a virtual reality. They call it “art”.
  - dgellow 6y ago
    The Animatrix has quite a lot of details on that part, you might be interested to watch.
- loup-vaillant 6y ago
  from http://www.hpmor.com/chapter/64 http://www.hpmor.com/chapter/64 --- MORPHEUS: For the longest time, I wouldn't believe it. But then I saw the fields with my own eyes, watched them liquefy the dead so they could be fed intravenously to the living - NEO (politely): Excuse me, please. MORPHEUS: Yes, Neo? NEO: I've kept quiet for as long as I could, but I feel a certain need to speak up at this point. The human body is the most inefficient source of energy you could possibly imagine. The efficiency of a power plant at converting thermal energy into electricity decreases as you run the turbines at lower temperatures. If you had any sort of food humans could eat, it would be more efficient to burn it in a furnace than feed it to humans. And now you're telling me that their food is the bodies of the dead, fed to the living? Haven't you ever heard of the laws of thermodynamics? MORPHEUS: Where did you hear about the laws of thermodynamics, Neo? NEO: Anyone who's made it past one science class in high school ought to know about the laws of thermodynamics! MORPHEUS: Where did you go to high school, Neo? (Pause.) NEO: ...in the Matrix. MORPHEUS: The machines tell elegant lies. (Pause.) NEO (in a small voice): Could I please have a real physics textbook? MORPHEUS: There is no such thing, Neo. The universe doesn't run on math.

noneeeed 6y ago

This has always bothered me about the Matrix. The idea that the Matrix was made up of the human's brains made so much more sense than using them to generate heat. I always just watch it with this version in my mind and ignore the energy nonsense.

bena 6y ago
You don't even have to change any of the movie. Morpheus can believe in the battery thing. He can tell everyone this because it's what he's been told, because it's what the person before told, etc. But I don't think it's been confirmed or denied in any of the material from the franchise. It's just been assumed. Morpheus could just be wrong.
- iso1210 6y ago
  https://i.imgflip.com/4dkxhj.jpg https://i.imgflip.com/4dkxhj.jpg
- foxdev 6y ago
  I always thought of him as an unreliable narrator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator
  - MayeulC 6y ago
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/main/unreliablenarrator https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/main/unreliablenarrat... also, I guess?
- salawat 6y ago
  ...it really doesn't make sense at all that human brains are being used for compute PR power actually. If you wanted brain's for compute, why are you wasting time simulating some 90's version of life for them? And the power explanation makes no sense either. Organic life's shtick is that it occupies a niche where complex mechanisms can be actuated through astonishingly low inputs of power via artificial lowering of chemical reaction energy thresholds via creation of ideal reaction conditions by way of catalytic enzymes. I loved the movies, and they posed some interesting questions at the time, but my God, they have not aged well. Just thinking of the energy requirements of the Hunter/Killers with their laser thing and the hover nonsense... I'd be a hit at all the parties I'm not invited to for the curious.
  - NikolaeVarius 6y ago
    The Matrix was not for efficiency. The point was that it was a eternal FUCK YOU to humanity
    - ModernMech 6y ago
      I mean, why do humans collect the shit we do? Maybe the machines just like the aesthetic appeal of a field filled with encased humans attached to a virtual reality. They call it “art”.
- dgellow 6y ago
  The Animatrix has quite a lot of details on that part, you might be interested to watch.
loup-vaillant 6y ago
from http://www.hpmor.com/chapter/64 http://www.hpmor.com/chapter/64 --- MORPHEUS: For the longest time, I wouldn't believe it. But then I saw the fields with my own eyes, watched them liquefy the dead so they could be fed intravenously to the living - NEO (politely): Excuse me, please. MORPHEUS: Yes, Neo? NEO: I've kept quiet for as long as I could, but I feel a certain need to speak up at this point. The human body is the most inefficient source of energy you could possibly imagine. The efficiency of a power plant at converting thermal energy into electricity decreases as you run the turbines at lower temperatures. If you had any sort of food humans could eat, it would be more efficient to burn it in a furnace than feed it to humans. And now you're telling me that their food is the bodies of the dead, fed to the living? Haven't you ever heard of the laws of thermodynamics? MORPHEUS: Where did you hear about the laws of thermodynamics, Neo? NEO: Anyone who's made it past one science class in high school ought to know about the laws of thermodynamics! MORPHEUS: Where did you go to high school, Neo? (Pause.) NEO: ...in the Matrix. MORPHEUS: The machines tell elegant lies. (Pause.) NEO (in a small voice): Could I please have a real physics textbook? MORPHEUS: There is no such thing, Neo. The universe doesn't run on math.