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It's not so much that the "checks and balances" have failed, but that some places are so partisan that they would literally rather support the people who are te

It's not so much that the "checks and balances" have failed, but that some places are so partisan that they would literally rather support the people who are telling you the police can take your stuff without trial than consider voting for a different politican than they're used to. The checks and balances work when there are people actually on the other side of the scale.

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Retric 6y ago
That’s a failure of checks and balances. If the same people are in charge of all sides it’s really just a one party system. The US constitution was not designed for political parties. If it it was you might see things mostly the same except the house was elected based on national vote for proportional representation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation Which would result in more fluid party representation.
tallship2020 6y ago
Originally introduced : https://www.congress.gov/bill/98th-congress/senate-bill/948 https://www.congress.gov/bill/98th-congress/senate-bill/948 Sponsor: Sen. Biden, Joseph R., Jr. [D-DE] (Introduced 03/24/1983) A quick check with Congress shows various bills introduced to address excesses : https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr5212 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr5212 Tim Walberg Sponsor. Representative for Michigan's 7th congressional district. Republican. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1219/all-info https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1219... Sponsor: Rep. Collins, Doug [R-GA-9] (Introduced 02/14/2019)
salawat 6y ago
The two party system doesn't help either. The political spectrum encompasses enough nuance that a winner-take-all duopoly on candidate selection and orchestration is severely crippling the quality and variety of political inputs to the System. To be honest, I'd almost prefer a neutral organization specialized in facilitating any political campaign to the System of Political parties we have now. If I have to hear "You have to vote Republican or Democrat or it's a wasted vote," again from people cavetching about the state of the political climate and situation in the U.S., and I may not continue to be so adept at not lashing back with a sharp-tongued response. Until the Establishment on both major political parties come to terms with the fact that both of them can lose there will be no fundamental change in direction of politics. I don't even count the pathetic excuse for statesmanship we're currently experiencing, because those are mainly differences in amplitude of already established patterns and tendencies rather than an appreciable shift in Qualitative policymaking.
ashtonkem 6y ago
That doesn’t explain civil asset forfeiture in states with a supermajority of one party or another.
- microcolonel 6y ago
  The supermajority is the core of the problem.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    Hardly, you also don’t see states doing much better on this issue when the legislature is heavily contested.

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Retric 6y ago

That’s a failure of checks and balances. If the same people are in charge of all sides it’s really just a one party system. The US constitution was not designed for political parties. If it it was you might see things mostly the same except the house was elected based on national vote for proportional representation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation Which would result in more fluid party representation.

tallship2020 6y ago

Originally introduced : https://www.congress.gov/bill/98th-congress/senate-bill/948 https://www.congress.gov/bill/98th-congress/senate-bill/948 Sponsor: Sen. Biden, Joseph R., Jr. [D-DE] (Introduced 03/24/1983) A quick check with Congress shows various bills introduced to address excesses : https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr5212 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr5212 Tim Walberg Sponsor. Representative for Michigan's 7th congressional district. Republican. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1219/all-info https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1219... Sponsor: Rep. Collins, Doug [R-GA-9] (Introduced 02/14/2019)

salawat 6y ago

The two party system doesn't help either. The political spectrum encompasses enough nuance that a winner-take-all duopoly on candidate selection and orchestration is severely crippling the quality and variety of political inputs to the System. To be honest, I'd almost prefer a neutral organization specialized in facilitating any political campaign to the System of Political parties we have now. If I have to hear "You have to vote Republican or Democrat or it's a wasted vote," again from people cavetching about the state of the political climate and situation in the U.S., and I may not continue to be so adept at not lashing back with a sharp-tongued response. Until the Establishment on both major political parties come to terms with the fact that both of them can lose there will be no fundamental change in direction of politics. I don't even count the pathetic excuse for statesmanship we're currently experiencing, because those are mainly differences in amplitude of already established patterns and tendencies rather than an appreciable shift in Qualitative policymaking.

ashtonkem 6y ago

That doesn’t explain civil asset forfeiture in states with a supermajority of one party or another.

microcolonel 6y ago
The supermajority is the core of the problem.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Hardly, you also don’t see states doing much better on this issue when the legislature is heavily contested.