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Moving out of CA made me realize that progressivism in America simply doesn’t work if your goals are vaguely along the lines of <high standard of living for the

Moving out of CA made me realize that progressivism in America simply doesn’t work if your goals are vaguely along the lines of <high standard of living for the middle class>. The fact that SF caters so aggressively to the poor and the homeless, coupled with the massive population of chronically impoverished people in the US, all but guarantees that it’s going to be an unlivable shithole. And indeed, needles, druggies with open wounds, feces, homeless encampments, everywhere.

cheriot 6y ago
SF "protects" its single family neighborhoods by herding all the heroin, hookers, and new housing into a few containment zone neighborhoods. The police department has completed 40 of the 272 reforms it promised to the Department of Justice in 2016. There's a lot of progressive talk to dress up traditional conservative policies. Sadly, the best thing SF has done for progressivism is serve as a warning to other progressive cities that they need to put action behind their rhetoric.
- hindsightbias 6y ago
  And then enticed tech into those containment zones. Chaos ensued.
- defnotashton2 6y ago
  I think maybe it's taught many of them to act less and more slowly rather than over regulate and burn money. What's the tax rate there and what are you getting again? Oh cool trolleys.
  - cheriot 6y ago
    For example, advocates of this law warned that Portland would become more like SF: https://www.npr.org/2019/07/01/737798440/oregon-legislature-votes-to-essentially-ban-single-family-zoning https://www.npr.org/2019/07/01/737798440/oregon-legislature-...
- wahern 6y ago
  > SF "protects" its single family neighborhoods by herding all the heroin, hookers, and new housing into a few containment zone neighborhoods. I don't see as much of them lately, but several years ago there was a rather large contingent of SF police on dirt bikes wielding billy clubs whose job was to roust the homeless in nice neighborhoods and tourist areas and quite literally herd them downtown. Presumably their disappearance has something to do with homeless visibility--although not sure if its cause or effect (i.e. simply too many homeless to prevent spillover). Also, to further the redevelopment of southeast SF, the city built alot of new public housing not only downtown but also near Fisherman's Wharf. I'm certain the increase in crime around Fisherman's Wharf is related. AFAIU, they chose Fisherman's Warf because 1) the port authority owned alot of land there and 2) rules regarding port authority-owned land made it relatively easier to push through low-income housing projects. Previously public housing in the NE of the city was predominately for seniors, who don't generally attract trouble.

cheriot 6y ago

SF "protects" its single family neighborhoods by herding all the heroin, hookers, and new housing into a few containment zone neighborhoods. The police department has completed 40 of the 272 reforms it promised to the Department of Justice in 2016. There's a lot of progressive talk to dress up traditional conservative policies. Sadly, the best thing SF has done for progressivism is serve as a warning to other progressive cities that they need to put action behind their rhetoric.

hindsightbias 6y ago
And then enticed tech into those containment zones. Chaos ensued.
defnotashton2 6y ago
I think maybe it's taught many of them to act less and more slowly rather than over regulate and burn money. What's the tax rate there and what are you getting again? Oh cool trolleys.
- cheriot 6y ago
  For example, advocates of this law warned that Portland would become more like SF: https://www.npr.org/2019/07/01/737798440/oregon-legislature-votes-to-essentially-ban-single-family-zoning https://www.npr.org/2019/07/01/737798440/oregon-legislature-...
wahern 6y ago
> SF "protects" its single family neighborhoods by herding all the heroin, hookers, and new housing into a few containment zone neighborhoods. I don't see as much of them lately, but several years ago there was a rather large contingent of SF police on dirt bikes wielding billy clubs whose job was to roust the homeless in nice neighborhoods and tourist areas and quite literally herd them downtown. Presumably their disappearance has something to do with homeless visibility--although not sure if its cause or effect (i.e. simply too many homeless to prevent spillover). Also, to further the redevelopment of southeast SF, the city built alot of new public housing not only downtown but also near Fisherman's Wharf. I'm certain the increase in crime around Fisherman's Wharf is related. AFAIU, they chose Fisherman's Warf because 1) the port authority owned alot of land there and 2) rules regarding port authority-owned land made it relatively easier to push through low-income housing projects. Previously public housing in the NE of the city was predominately for seniors, who don't generally attract trouble.